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Old 04-23-2007, 11:34 AM   #136
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Now, I've stated (and the bill includes) the necessity of a maternal "life" exemption. And let's amend the bill, if needed, to exclude cases of severe fetal anomalies.



there is quite a bit of conflation here. an abortion at 20 weeks is quite different from an abortion at 28 weeks or 32 weeks, both in the development of the fetus as well as the techniques used. the most graphic "scissor" technique usually happens after 7 months, not at 5 months.

and the fact remains that late-term abortions comprise 0.17% of all abortions.

but let's talk about the "life" of the mother. everyone agrees on this. but what about the "health" of the mother? are you willing to compromise on this as well?


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But please don't kid yourself. Just as there are unscrupulous doctors that will enable drug addicts or falsify insurance claims, so too are there doctors (abortionists) that take advantage of young, disadvantaged or scared pregnant women for their own personal financial gain.

Often, tragically, ending an otherwise viable human life only moments from birth.

i'm sympathetic up until right now. please, doctors do not perform abortions because they want to make money. garbage. further, it is NOT doctors taking advantage of these young women. it's a society that offers little to young, disadvantaged women. where is the universal health care? where is the non-abstience based sex education? where are the free contraceptives? where is the federally funded child care? where are the programs available for women to get some kind of training and education so that they don't have to go on welfare after the birth of a child.

the day we have free contraception available to all women, everywhere, and genuinely comprehensive sex education in our schools, THEN i'll start to be more sympathetic to concerns about the fetus. for now, i'm more concerned about women, and the goal should always be to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

again, INDY, you're falling into the "pro-birth" camp. you're not genuinely pro-life until you address life itself, the life of the mother and the life of a child *after* a baby has been born.

are you going to feed that baby with your tax dollars? are you going to clothe that baby with your tax dollars? are you going to educate the baby and the mother with your tax dollars?

if so, i'm sure you'll be voting socialist in the next election.
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But please don't kid yourself. Just as there are unscrupulous doctors that will enable drug addicts or falsify insurance claims, so too are there doctors (abortionists) that take advantage of young, disadvantaged or scared pregnant women for their own personal financial gain.
This has to be one of the worse post I've seen in FYM history.
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but let's talk about the "life" of the mother. everyone agrees on this. but what about the "health" of the mother? are you willing to compromise on this as well?

Probably not. See next answer.
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please, doctors do not perform abortions because they want to make money. garbage.
Do obstetricians "deliver" babies because they want to make money?

There are abortion doctors. They work at abortion clinics. That is their practice. It is legal and that is their choice but that is often the scope of their practice. They have a financial stake in a woman's choice.

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again, INDY, you're falling into the "pro-birth" camp.

you're not genuinely pro-life until you address life itself, the life of the mother and the life of a child *after* a baby has been born.

are you going to feed that baby with your tax dollars? are you going to clothe that baby with your tax dollars? are you going to educate the baby and the mother with your tax dollars?

if so, i'm sure you'll be voting socialist in the next election.
If given a vote, I'd vote for letting the sperm donor pay. We used to call them fathers.
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Do obstetricians "deliver" babies because they want to make money?
Yes, but they don't knock up the girls in order to create clients.huh:



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There are abortion doctors. They work at abortion clinics. That is their practice. It is legal and that is their choice but that is often the scope of their practice. They have a financial stake in a woman's choice.

Actually you are wrong in thinking that's the scope of their practice, it may be the scope of that clinic, but it's not the scope of their practice.
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Probably not. See next answer.


i don't see what the next answer has to do with the fact that you would endanger a woman's health for the sake of a fetus. can you explain further?




[q]Do obstetricians "deliver" babies because they want to make money?

There are abortion doctors. They work at abortion clinics. That is their practice. It is legal and that is their choice but that is often the scope of their practice. They have a financial stake in a woman's choice.[/q]

performing abortions isn't like going to the optomitrist or the dermatologist where they try and squeeze in as many patients as possible into a workday.


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If given a vote, I'd vote for letting the sperm donor pay. We used to call them fathers.
oh please. now that's a load of nostalgic hoo-ha. and just what if the father can't be found? is dead? is in jail? is as poor as the mother? is abusive? is a drunk? is a drug dealer?

you're absolving yourself of any responsibility you'd incurr if abortion were made illegal.

so the little slut got what was coming to her?
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so, again, i ask all the pro-lifers: where's the demand for universal health care that would subsidize federally funded birth control, comprehensive sex education, neo-natal care, day care, and education programs for poor mothers who are unable to complete high school due to pregnancy?
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This has to be one of the worse post I've seen in FYM history.
I think you meant to say "worst."

Being omniscient doesn't excuse poor grammar BVS.
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oh please. now that's a load of nostalgic hoo-ha. and just what if the father can't be found? is dead? is in jail? is as poor as the mother? is abusive? is a drunk? is a drug dealer?
Is her father?
Is denying paternity?
Is out of the country?
Is found not guity of her rape?
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oh please. now that's a load of nostalgic hoo-ha. and just what if the father can't be found? is dead? is in jail? is as poor as the mother? is abusive? is a drunk? is a drug dealer?

you're absolving yourself of any responsibility you'd incurr if abortion were made illegal.
And after that rogues gallery...I'm the irresponsible one. Classic.

Adoption, quaint and old-fashioned as well?
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I think you meant to say "worst."
Yes, thank you. I'm so glad you can correct my spelling.



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Being omniscient doesn't excuse poor grammar BVS.
It doesn't take someone being omniscient to recognise quality. I can judge the best and worse sandwich I've ever had, without having to have every sandwich.

But nice try.
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And after that rogues gallery...I'm the irresponsible one. Classic.


i don't understand this. could you explain?



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Adoption, quaint and old-fashioned as well?

so you support, of course, gay adoption?

adoption is a lovely thought, i just wish reality squared with the promise. there just aren't so many people lining up to adopt babies born addicted to crack, african-american babies, underweight babies, babies with severe birth defects, children over the age of 2.
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And after that rogues gallery...I'm the irresponsible one. Classic.

Adoption, quaint and old-fashioned as well?


[q]so, again, i ask all the pro-lifers: where's the demand for universal health care that would subsidize federally funded birth control, comprehensive sex education, neo-natal care, day care, and education programs for poor mothers who are unable to complete high school due to pregnancy?[/q]

and the movement to remove the ban on gay adoption in Flordia. i forgot to add that one.
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It doesn't take someone being omniscient to recognise quality. I can judge the best and worse sandwich I've ever had, without having to have every sandwich.

But nice try.
From worse to wurst.
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Adoption, quaint and old-fashioned as well?
Forcing women to have children: quaint and old-fashioned?
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