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Old 12-04-2006, 02:09 AM   #1
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Panspermia

The physical laws governing organic chemistry are constant, they acted in the past and will in the future
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Organic globules found in a meteorite that slammed into Canada's Tagish Lake may be older than our sun, a new study says.

The ancient materials could offer a glimpse into the solar system's planet-building past and may even provide clues to how life on Earth first arose.

"We don't really look at this research as telling us something about [the meteorite itself] as much as telling us something about the origins of the solar system," said Scott Messenger of the NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas.

Most of the meteorite's material is about the same age as our solar system—about 4.5 billion years—and was likely formed at the same time (tour a virtual solar system).

But the microscopic organic globules that make up about one-tenth of one percent of the object appear to be far older.

In a study appearing in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science, Messenger and colleagues report that isotopic anomalies in the globules suggest that they formed in very cold conditions—near absolute zero.

"What's really striking about this is that these globules clearly could not possibly have formed where [the meteorite] itself formed," Messenger said.

"Under those extreme conditions the air that you'd breathe would be solid ice. You would never find those conditions in the asteroid belt or anywhere close to the sun."
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More and more the gaps in knowledge where God is oten presented become smaller and smaller.
You would had done much better without this line, or at least addressed fundamentalist seperately.
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The gap becomes smaller and smaller for us, for many religious people the God of the Gaps role was and will always remain static no matter what evidence you throw at them - everything's inadmissable.
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You would had done much better without this line, or at least addressed fundamentalist seperately.
How it adressing fundamentalists? Many otherwise rational people will conjecture divine intervention for the formation of organic molecules on the early Earth - this shows the processes take place both on and beyond our rock through natural means.
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Well it's not news that organic molecules exist even in interstellar space, though. Also, doesn't panspermia by definition imply the presence of RNA or DNA?
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Even if you were able to prove that all life on Earth was the result of an ancient civilization living in the tenth dimension of a separate brane in a different universe, there would still be the question of who/what created that.

In other words, the advent of "theistic evolution" makes it pretty much impossible for science to be used to discredit the possibility of God.
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How it adressing fundamentalists? Many otherwise rational people will conjecture divine intervention for the formation of organic molecules on the early Earth - this shows the processes take place both on and beyond our rock through natural means.
And many rational people look to gods with regard to their religion and to proof and experimentation with regard to science. The two aren't mutually exclusive. For all those who constantly criticize (and rightfully so) Christians for using God/church/the Bible to make assumptions about science, please don't assume that a new discovery in science has any effect on a Christian's spirituality and theology.
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Even if you were able to prove that all life on Earth was the result of an ancient civilization living in the tenth dimension of a separate brane in a different universe, there would still be the question of who/what created that.

In other words, the advent of "theistic evolution" makes it pretty much impossible for science to be used to discredit the possibility of God.

Agreed.

That is why I am often pointing out to my Christian brothers and sisters that Genesis is not meant to be a science book. I am not saying that Genesis is wrong; I am only saying that it is purposely vague. Otherwise it would billions of pages long.

The main points of the creation story are this:
1) God created the universe (which makes perfect logical sense since He is only the being that transcends matter).
2) God made humans into spiritual beings in order to have a relationship with His creation.
3) The first humans chose to trust their own desire instead of trusting God (and the following generations now struggle with the same dilemma).
4) In order for humans to overcome their natural tendency to choose their own passions over God’s will – they need supernatural intervention (Grace) – and in order to receive this gift all someone needs to do is demonstrate faith in God (Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham…etc)

Christians need to ask themselves why God chose to only spend a few paragraphs of the entire Bible to the creation story. Even in Genesis, the central story that arises from the text is story of Abraham.
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And many rational people look to gods with regard to their religion and to proof and experimentation with regard to science. The two aren't mutually exclusive. For all those who constantly criticize (and rightfully so) Christians for using God/church/the Bible to make assumptions about science, please don't assume that a new discovery in science has any effect on a Christian's spirituality and theology.
Who said Christian?

I find this very interesting as it is introducing a new realm for potential origins for the first organisms (or at least the building blocks). It agrees with Panspermia in that is pointing to organic molecules being formed and transported for long periods of time - now true panspermia would be some form of life hitching such a ride - but this example may give pause to think beyond our own solar system and beyond the temporal limitations for the origins of life.
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Who said Christian?

You said "divine intervention" so I said "gods" and then gave an example specific to Christianity.
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How it adressing fundamentalists? Many otherwise rational people will conjecture divine intervention for the formation of organic molecules on the early Earth - this shows the processes take place both on and beyond our rock through natural means.
I think you missed my point.

Liesje, understood my point.
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