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Old 10-15-2003, 08:17 PM   #1
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Palestinian Terrorist murder 3 Americans!

Gaza bomb kills 3 Americans

Embassy advises all U.S. citizens to leave Gaza

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 Posted: 7:48 PM EDT (2348 GMT)


GAZA CITY (CNN) -- A roadside bomb went off beneath a convoy carrying U.S. diplomats Wednesday in Gaza, killing three American members of a security detail and injuring another, U.S. officials said.

President Bush blamed Palestinian officials, saying they "should have acted long ago to fight terror in all its forms."

Bush repeated calls to give a Palestinian prime minister control of all Palestinian security forces, and he blamed Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat for continuing to block reforms.

Palestinian police started rounding up suspects in a dragnet expected to last through the night, security sources said.

The action followed word that Arafat had reappointed a law and order general, Gazi el-Jabali, to command Palestinian police forces -- a man he had previously fired from the job.

The U.S. ambassador to Israel, Daniel Kurtzer, said the United States was "shocked by this latest terrorist outrage."

The convoy was carrying U.S. Embassy officials to Gaza to interview Palestinian students who have applied for Fulbright scholarships in the United States, Kurtzer said. It was carrying at least 12 Americans, according to Israeli sources.

The four Americans victims were employed by the U.S. Embassy to provide security, Kurtzer said. Two Americans died on the scene, a third died on the way to a hospital, and a fourth was hospitalized, Kurtzer said.

They were employees of Dyncorp, a company that provides security for the United States in Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Middle East, according to a senior Bush administration official.

A team of six FBI agents -- investigators, forensics and explosives experts -- was being sent from Washington to investigate the crime scene.

No one immediately claimed responsibility, and some Palestinian militant groups criticized the bombing, calling it counterproductive in their fight against Israeli occupation.

Two militant groups designated terrorist organizations by the U.S. State Department -- Hamas and Islamic Jihad -- said they had nothing to do with it.

A Hamas statement on its Web site said the group did not wish "to widen the circle of struggle and to take it outside the borders of Palestine."

The Popular Resistance Committees, an umbrella organization for militants, denied "any connection with this incident" but condemned U.S. support for Israel's construction of a barrier in the West Bank to prevent terror attacks.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said that "in the absence of information" on who did it, "the assumption one has to make, given the nature of the attack," is that Palestinians targeted Americans.

The Palestinian Authority condemned the attack and Arafat's Fatah movement urged that all legal steps be taken to preserve the U.S. role in Middle East peacemaking.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei strongly condemned the attack, offered his condolences, and promised an investigation.

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat also offered his condolences and condemned the attack.

Several hours after the bombing, the U.S. Embassy issued an advisory calling on U.S. citizens to leave Gaza. Kurtzer said there were several hundred U.S. citizens in Gaza.

A senior State Department official said the convoy had just entered Gaza through the Erez checkpoint and was traveling a route often used by U.S. diplomats.

According to the State Department, a roadside bomb was triggered immediately after the Palestinian police cars in the convoy passed by, hitting the U.S. vehicle.

An Associated Press correspondent at the scene reported seeing a gray wire leading from the bomb crater to a small concrete building nearby.

He said an on/off switch was attached to the wire. Video of the scene showed a crater, about three feet deep and eight feet wide.

Kurtzer said the attack was the second to target U.S. officials in Gaza. He said no one was injured when a U.S. bulletproof vehicle was attacked in June.

Kurtzer said the attack would not change the U.S. commitment to the peace process and the Palestinian Authority had been asked to arrest those responsible.

John Wolf, special U.S. envoy to the Middle East, was not in the country at the time of the attack despite media reports that said he was in the convoy, the embassy said.

Dore Gold, a senior adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, also offered condolences, noting that Israelis "understand exactly the kind of grief this terrible, terrible terrorism causes."

"Clearly these attacks are motivated by the same anti-Western, anti-American feelings that unite all these forces in the Middle East," he said.

Gold said "this attack would never have occurred" if the Palestinian Authority had cracked down on terrorist groups.

CNN's Chris Burns and Elise Labott contributed to this report.
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"The convoy was carrying U.S. Embassy officials to Gaza to interview Palestinian students who have applied for Fulbright scholarships in the United States, Kurtzer said. It was carrying at least 12 Americans, according to Israeli sources."

Americans working to educate Palestinians, and they murder them! It is this type of behavior that prevents the Palestinians from ever having and independent State or a quality standard of living.
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Hamas and Hezbolah have both denied any involvement with this. Arafat and all Palastinians are denouncing it.


These Americans were in Gaza to award Fullbright Scholarships to Palestinian students so they could study abroad in America.
In America we don’t get the whole story about how bad things are in the occupied territories.
When I present this information to people from irrefutable sources they are shocked are often reconsider there opinions about the Mideast conflict.

Why would Palastinians not want young, intelligent, articulent Palastinians in America?

A remote control device is not the M O of these ‘terrorists’.

There are other parties that would gain more from this action.
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Deep, come on out and say what you think. Who did it in your opinion?
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Deep,

"In America we don’t get the whole story about how bad things are in the occupied territories.
When I present this information to people from irrefutable sources they are shocked are often reconsider there opinions about the Mideast conflict."

It might be a shock to some to learn that the standard of living in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, ranked at #98 in the world, is higher than Syria at #110, Iran at #106, South Africa at #111, China at #104, India at #127, Egypt at #120, Morocco at #126, Pakistan at #144, Mali at #172.

This information comes for the latest Human Development report released in July 2003 by the United Nations.

"Hamas and Hezbolah have both denied any involvement with this. Arafat and all Palastinians are denouncing it."

A smart move by them. What would be even smarter is if they actually for the first time in 55 years accepted a peace deal. Or those thugs in Hamas and Hezbolah should get a clue and realize the bombing Israely teens in a disco perhaps listening to U2 is not going to help the Standard of Living of Palestinians or help create and independent Palestinian State. One hopes that it will not be another 55 years before they learn this.


"Why would Palastinians not want young, intelligent, articulent Palastinians in America?"

Why would Palestinians support the targeting and slaughter of Israely childern at disco's?

"A remote control device is not the M O of these ‘terrorists’."

It can be when their not targeting Israely childern. Hamas and Hezbolah have been conducting terrorism for decades and this is well within their capabilities.

"There are other parties that would gain more from this action."

Sure, maybe all of the suicide attacks on Israely's over the past year have been conducted by Sharon. I mean, what exactly would any Palestinian terrorist organization gain from targeting and bombing Israely childern in Disco's?
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[Q]There have been reports of jubilation among Palestinians in a nearby refugee camp - our correspondent says anger has been growing at what some perceive as Washington's one-sided approach to the Mid-East crisis.

US embassy personnel who went to the scene a few hours after the attack were forced to leave after Palestinian youths threw stones at them - Palestinian security sources had to fire in the air to disperse the crowd
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3194432.stm
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Palestinian police officers fire into the air as they try to disperse a violent crowd as U.S. embassy vehicles speed from the area after visiting the wreckage of a U.S. embassy near the village of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Wednesday Oct. 15, 2003. A massive explosion ripped through the U.S. diplomatic vehicle, killing at least three Americans, Palestinian officials said. The vehicle was part of a U.S. convoy driving near Beit Hanoun, just south of the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)
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Why would Palastinians not want young, intelligent, articulent Palastinians in America?
Intellect is considered the enemy of religion.

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I thought this was not the Palestinian MO?
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A masked Palestinian militant carries a homemade mine as he walks toward an area where Israeli troops are positioned in the Rafah refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2003. Dozens of armored Israel Defense Forces vehicles reentered the camp early Tuesday in the latest operation to uncover arms-smuggling tunnels according to the army. (AP Photo/ Khalil Hamra).
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from our wonderful allies the Saudi's this wonderful cartoon explains who they think did it!

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An armed U.S. embassy security worker, second from left, is helped to his vehicle by Palestinian policemen as he is stoned by Palestinians after visiting the wreckage of a U.S. embassy car near the village of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Wednesday Oct. 15, 2003. A massive explosion ripped through the U.S. diplomatic vehicle, killing at least three Americans, Palestinian officials said. The vehicle was part of a U.S. convoy driving near Beit Hanoun, just south of the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

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An armed U.S. embassy worker bangs on the glass of a vehicle as he is stoned by Palestinians after visiting the wreckage of a U.S embassy car near the village of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Wednesday Oct. 15, 2003. A massive explosion ripped through the U.S. diplomatic vehicle, killing at least three Americans, Palestinian officials said. The vehicle was part of a U.S. convoy driving near Beit Hanoun, just south of the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)
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Deep, come on out and say what you think. Who did it in your opinion?
I don't know who did this, but I sure hope they'll be brought to justice soon. This is one situation.

The reason I hold my opinion on who did this (and not immediately point to Palestinian terrorists like Hamaz, Jihad or Hezbollah) is because this attack is so different to what usually happens. Mind you, I'm not trying (or even wanting) to talk it down, but AFAIK this kind of attack hasn't happened before in Israel (by those Palestinian terrorists).
The usual horrible way is having a suicide bomber blast itself to pieces in a crowded area. Those organisations do not plant bombs along roads, nor do they specifically target foreigners. So having an attack as has happened here is so unlike their usual ways I'm suspecting somebody else is behind this.
I mean, why did they use this bomb then right now and not all those other days when they can target the Israeli army (or other Israelis driving cars). Why now? Why specifically this US convoy?
Who did all this? I don't know. There are still lots of parties who want to sabotage the peace process. I hope those FBI experts can find some more information who is linked to this bombing.

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Neo-con or just plain ol' imperialism unleashed? William Bowles 15/10/03

What is a neo-con and what are the objectives of the so-called neo-conservative agenda? Most importantly, do their policies represent a radical departure from previous US strategy and if so, how and why?
There is no simple answer to this question as it is intimately connected to the vast changes that have taken place since the collapse of the Soviet ‘empire’ in 1990. Indeed, one could say that it was the collapse of the Soviet Union that ‘unleashed’ the ‘neo-cons’ on the world, for without a counterbalance to the US, forces long held in check by real politik, were freed from the constraints of détente and the (relative) balance of power achieved in the post-WWII period.

Based on the assumption that through its overwhelming military superiority facilitated by the IT revolution, the ‘neo-con’ agenda seeks to do what the US has always tried to do and that is impose the ‘free market’ on the entire world and in doing so, take control of the resources and markets needed to feed the insatiable appetite of the US economy and its investors. It’s the methods and the strategy used that singles out the ‘neo-con’s’ philosophy from those who previously had to deal with a different world. A world where the use of force and the threat of the use of force, was more proscribed.
Underpinning the entire project is energy, that with its junior ‘partner’ the UK, since the end of WWII the US has controlled OPEC notwithstanding. Without control of oil through the dollar, and through the dollar, the world’s economy, the US would be unable bankroll its vast deficit, now over $7 trillion. The urgency of the project is made all the more important because of a number of additional elements: climate change and the fact that energy sources appear to have 'peaked', at least as far as the needs of the US economy is concerned.

Moreover, the contradictions that have always been inherent in the capitalist mode of production, have reasserted themselves with renewed vigour as the effects of automation (quantum leaps in the efficiency of production, coupled to the export of manufacturing to cheap labour markets) and increasing reliance on financial speculation as a source of profit have combined to produce a crisis, a crisis of global proportions. Vast amounts of over-valued dollars are sloshing about, many of them held overseas by equally fragile economies, especially Japans's. The entire system, balanced on a knife-edge has very little room for manouver.

It is only by continuous expansion into new markets, that permits the capitalist system to continue. To stop is impossible, it’s like a runaway train. The forces that drive it, are only ‘understood’ in the narrow mathematical sense, all else is driven by specific interests that try to control processes that they barely comprehend. The important factor is what sectors of the economy dominate at any given moment in history?

Since the end of WWII the US has had an essentially war-based economy with enormous investment — through subsidies by the state into the IT/weapons sector – which has itself propelled the IT revolution.

The problem with weapons investment is that it’s all inputs and no outputs as far as building an economy that can support an entire culture. It’s like pouring money down the drain. As rich as the US is, without any outputs, such as teachers, hospitals or whatever, sooner or later the state is going go bankrupt, or have to change its ways. Or go to war.

The ‘neo-con’ clique, entrenched in key sectors of government represents the vested interests of oil/energy, electronics/IT, weapons, influential segments of the media and communications sector (with its connection to weapons through cross-ownership of the IT industry) and elements of the banking and financial sector. To this heady mix we have to add the loose cannon of Israeli imperialism with its commensurate connection back into weapons and oil, via the vast arms subsidies the US gives Israel because of its strategic position as a wedge driven deep into the heart of the oil-rich Middle East.

A conspiracy of the powerful
The following names are those most closely associated with the label 'neo-conservative', along with many others not listed here whose connections extend into the more 'traditional' networks of power that run America.

Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of defence
Richard Cheney, vice-president
Elliott Abrams, chief Middle East aide on the National Security Council
Richard Armitage,
Douglas Feith, Under-secretary of Defense for Policy
Paula Dobriansky, Under-secretary of State for Global Affairs
Michael Rubin & David Wurmser, senior consultants to the State Department and the Pentagon on Iraq policy
Richard Perle, former chairman of the Defense Policy Board
Jeanne Kirkpatrick, former United Nations ambassador
Frank Gaffney, head of the Center for Defense Policy
Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute
David Steinmann, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Daniel Pipes, US Institute for Peace and the Middle East Peace Forum
Otto Reich, Wsetern Hemisphere Affairs
Colonel Oliver North, Middle Eastern Affairs
Reps. Eliot Engel, sponsor of the recently passed Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act
Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of State
James Woolsey, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency
Robert Kagan, Project for the New American Century
Philip Bobbitt, former nuclear arms adviser to Bill Clinton and formulator of ‘pre-emptive war’
William Kristal, publisher and arch right-winger with strong connections to the Israeli right
It’s not surprising that many view this cabal as part of a conspiracy, but this assumes that the ‘neo-cons’, plotting and planning from offices on Pennsylvania Avenue exist in splendid isolation, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Some of the above go back to Nixon days and the Vietnam War and even earlier. All hold views formed during the Cold War period — deeply anti-communist and pro-Zionist views. Some were involved in the formulation of the policy known during the Reagan period as 'low intensity warfare'. Some were directly involved in supporting terrorist groups, assassinations, drug smuggling, gun running and money laundering operations under Reagan. As a group they represent the most virulent and aggressive voice of US imperialism, motivated as much by ideology as by purely economic interests though the confluence of interests and ideology are inseparable.

But even US capitalism rampant has its limitations. It is constrained, more or less, by many factors, not the least of which is its inability to act rationally. It will even act against the best interests of the nation even as it asserts through propaganda, the patriotic to justify its policies. And of course, capitalism rarely does act as a nation unless directly threatened, but essentially in the interests of those who run the state and of those they represent, a small segment of society with enormous amounts of power and money at their disposal and the networks that link it all together.

Networks of Power
These networks are mediated by marriage, inheritance and the interconnections formed between key sectors of the economy, built over the generations but especially through education, the transmission line that maintains ideological control and continuity.

"The great and evil minds that direct politics from their university cathedra are infinitely more important to our future than the rich but feeble-minded bastards. Indeed, their takeover of American universities, so clearly presented by Saul Bellow in his Ravelstein was the paramount event of the last thirty years. Whoever controls universities, controls the media; who controls media, controls government. Or, in Biblical terms, Leo Strauss begat Wolfowitz, Wolfowitz begat Iraqi War. Milton Friedman begat IMF, IMF begat world poverty. Bernard Lewis begat Samuel Huntington, Samuel Huntington begat the War on Islam. Bernard-Henri Levy begat Andre Sacharov, and the Soviet Union was privatised by Marc Rich and Vladimir Gusinsky."
Israel Shamir, The Wise Raven is Dead

Currently, the most virulent and ideologically driven sector of the power elite has dominance but as recent events demonstrate, they by no means have hegemonic control and, as their Middle East strategy demonstrates, they have been forced to shift the 'burden' of empire building to Israel, even if it is a temporary measure. In part this has been determined by the fact that the military strategy promulgated by Rumsfeld and co is more wishful thinking than realism and secondly, by the cost of the enterprise. Rumsfeld's fantasy of conquering the world with robots reveals a fundamental lack of understanding not only of the role of technology in waging war, but perhaps just as importantly, blinded by their supremacist racist ideology, they simply do not understand. After all, it's not so long ago that the same people were pinning their hopes on defeating the Viet Minh through the overwhelming force of Western technology.

The myopia of the neo-con ideologues, has proved their undoing as the rapidly unravelling situation in Iraq demonstrates and this may well prove their undoing. But, and this is the important issue, the overall objective of US imperialism will not alter, merely its tactics. We may well have to wait until the next US election to see which faction gains the ascendency. In the meantime, the realities of a bankrupt economy may well determine the direction US imperialism takes. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the more extreme and desperate elements of the US elite may well 'take the plunge' and expand the 'war on terror' in a direct alliance with Israel. The attack on the US mission in the occupied territories today (15/10/03) or something similar, may well be our 21st century Sarejevo. Indeed, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that today's attack was a deliberate provocation by Israel designed to drag the US more directly into the conflict.


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Some Palestinian did this. But why? The Americans were on their way to help some *Palestinians*!!! This burns me up. Some Palestinian madmen gave their whole country a black eye. This isn't fair. I went to school with a Palestinian. We had Latin class together and she was wonderful. She made the best damn Arab pastries! Yum! She was as anti-terrorist as they come, just a normal person getting on with her life. I think most Palestinians are like my friend and not like these terrorist squads. Yes, too many Arabs support terrorists. Friendly, peaceful Arabs admit this. It makes them very angry, embarrassed and sad. These peaceful Arabs fight extremists with words. They try to explain to them that they are wrong. It's terribly frustrating to them. It's particularly painful for them when this sort of thing happens.
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"I strongly condemn this awful crime which targeted American observers who came on a mission of peace and security,"
Yasir Arafat, the Palestinian leader
I wonder if he will actually do anything.
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