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Old 05-01-2003, 08:03 PM   #46
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Counting the cost in children's lives
Whatever the outcome of the latest Middle East peace initiative, it has come too late for the many children on both sides who have been maimed physically and mentally by the war.

Since the current upsurge in violence - the second intifada - began in 2000, 528 children have been killed.

Of those 436 were Palestinian and 92 Israeli, according to the United Nations children's agency, Unicef.

The violence in Gaza on Wednesday night - some of the worst ever seen there - has added to the list.

Among the Palestinians killed were three more children - a boy of two, and two 13-year-olds, doctors said.

Children are screaming... we are trying to calm them down, but bullets are coming from all directions
Dr Fadel Abu Hein
A prominent child psychologist, Dr Fadel Abu Hein, was contacted by reporters as his building came under fire.

"We are sitting in total darkness. Children are screaming," he said.

"We are trying to calm them down, but bullets are coming from all directions."

After daybreak, one reporter saw two boys, aged 12 and 14 being hit by Israeli fire.

One was struck in the neck, and doctors said later he was paralysed.

The deaths and the injuries are carefully monitored by Unicef and human rights organisations.

But at the same time an unwritten and much longer list is growing - the number of children traumatised and brutalised by the war.

Palestinian children, apart from suffering as a result of the violence, are also hurt by the conflict's environmental consequences, including destruction of basic infrastructure, and shortages of food and water.

Their schooling is disrupted. They play at being fighters.

UN studies of mental health in Gaza suggest most youngsters there suffer emotional problems.

These problems manifest themselves as speech disorders, bedwetting or crying, evolving into aggression as the children grow older.

Among the signs that children demonstrated are fear, regression and anxiety
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"Since the outbreak of violence more than two years ago, there has been a rapid and profound decline in the quality of life for Palestinian children," said Unicef spokeswoman Monica Awad.

"This is a direct result of shelling and gunfire on their homes and schools, the violence they experience daily, the damage to property, and the sustained closures of the past year, " she told BBC News Online.

Most of Unicef's work in the region is for Palestinians, but for Israeli children too, the conflict is badly affecting their psychosocial well-being.

"Among the signs that all children demonstrated are fear, regression and anxiety," said Ms Awad.

Unicef believes that among the Palestinians, families are still generally succeeding in protecting their children and keeping them away from flashpoints.

Most of their children who have been killed have been bystanders, in their homes or on their way to and from school.

Developing empathy

In the most difficult circumstances, Unicef believes it has had some success in alleviating the suffering of Palestinian children.

Much of this has centred around summer camps, which over the last two years have benefited more than 30,000 youngsters.

Unicef says the camps allow the children to play and develop such skills as empathy, critical thinking, listening and decision making.

The UN also supports media activities, including story writing by Palestinian adolescents on the current conflict.

A book of short stories was published in which Palestinian youth detail their experience of the crisis and their hopes and aspirations.

Local non-governmental organisations and media outlets have also worked with Unicef to provide young people with an opportunity to express themselves on television, radio and in newspapers.

Unicef also claims success in innovative schemes such as a Youth Parliament, and counselling hotlines where young people provide psychosocial support to their peers.

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and the cycle begins once again.

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None of this would be happening if the Palestinians and Arabs had simply accepted the UN Partition Plan of 1947. Instead they brutally attacked Israel. 5 Arab countries invaded the tiny country of Israel. Perhaps when Palestinians learn what "non-violent" action is, the above events will become a thing of the pasts.

The terrorist who TARGET childern cannot be allowed to commit their violent acts. They must be captured or killed. Targeting civilians is a crime. This is what the Palestinians do. The Israely defense force, one of the most professional military forces in the world, targets Terrorist and criminals. Any Palestinian that is killed by accident is the fault of the Palestinian Terrorist who decide to hide in Palestinian Towns and Villiages, making such events more likely to happen.
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STING2:

while it's true what you say, none of this would be happening if Israel would have given back Palestine to the palestinensians after the 7 day war either..

It is a crime that Terrorists attack innocent civilians and it is also a crime that the Isreal army accepts the murder of civilists to hunt people where they think they are terrorists but they don't have the time to prove that in court anymore

...you can't justify the ugly things Israel does because of the attacks of the terrorists - that's exactly the problem why we have this circle of violence, because hardliners on the other side justify their behavious in the same manner

And of course, people who have nothing more to loose are more responsive to extremist thinking:



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Klaus,

Israel would have given back all the land from the 1967 war if the Arab countries had all recognized Israel's right to exist. Instead they attacked Israel again in 1973! If you want to know how peace can be made, look no further than Israel and Egypts peace deal in which Egypt recognized Israel's right to exist and Israel returned all the land it had taken from Egypt in the 1967, 6 day war.

"it is also a crime that the Isreal army accepts the murder of civilists to hunt people where they think they are terrorists but they don't have the time to prove that in court anymore"

This is not some civil crime but a war of terrorism that has been conducted against Israel for 55 years. Israely soldiers have every right to target terrorist. Any Palestinians civilians that are killed in the process are accidents. Its not a matter of accepting that. Its Israel's right to use military force to kill or capture terrorist that are TARGETING innnocent people. It is sick that you would compare what Israely soldiers do to the terrorist.

My friends in Iraq had every right to use military force against Iraqi soldiers during the war. They did their best to avoid civilian losses just as the Israely military does in the West Bank. But when terrorist choose to hide in densely populated area's, civilian losses become a stronger possibility. But that stronger possibility should not in any way prevent Soldiers from the legitimate pursuit of those that TARGET civilians. You can never allow terrorist to use innocent civilians to shield themselves from attack or capture.

Soldiers and policemen everywhere on the planet have the right to go into a building or city to catch or kill a terrorist that is planning to blow up innocent civilians. There is no circumstance under which doing that is a crime!

Listen to the citizens of Israel! They live and see these things all the time. Many of their Grandparents were massacered because people in Europe did not take steps to defend them. The people of Israel are intelligent and understand the situation. They have elected the government and approve of the Israely military's efforts to defend them. One cannot ingnore the fact that Israel is a democracy and the people of Israel of chosen this course of action based on what they know from living there and what is the best way given the difficult circumstances under which they live, to defend themselves.
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Yesturday even the US governemnt (not to be known as left-wing, anti israelian or as pacifists) asked the Israeli government now to defend in a adequate way!
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The only thing I find fault with Israel is settlement building in the West Bank. Its really Israel's only dark point.
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Sting,

The settlement building in the West Bank and Gaza is why so many sympathize with the Palestinians.

If the settlers left the West Bank and Gaza and the Palestinians had control of their own affairs and all the taxes Israel has collected from them and kept in a frozen account for years, the burden would be on the Palestinians.

If suicide bombings still occurred and their government did not clamp down hard and hold responsible parties accountable I would have little sympathy for their cause.
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ouizy: ..nothing special, just the next round of the revenge for the revenge of the revenge...

not verry productive for the peace process and it dosn't make it easier for moderate men like Mr. Abbas

As i mentioned before, the extremists need the oponent extremists to justify their doings

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So it doesn't ever end?
How long, how long must we sing/debate this song.???
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Deep,

You have to realize the issue of withdrawel from the occupied territories is a regional issue rather than just one between Israel and Palestinians. From a tatical and startegic military standpoint, Israel has very serious security concerns due to its small size, vs its Arab neighbors that have a long history of invading Israel and fail to recognize its right to exist. In addition, the high ground of the West Bank, Golan Heights, and the River Jordan, are excellent defensive terrain. Regional negotiations which satisfy Israels security concerns and recognize Israels right to exist must be in place before Israel withdraws completely from the occupied territories.

Arab countries actions have had far worse effects on the Palestinians then anything Israel has done. This entire problem would not exist if the Arabs and Palestinians had simply excepted the 1947 UN Partition plan. Palestinians are currently asking for a fraction of the same plan they rejected 55 years ago.

Lets not forget that many elements of Humas will not be satisfied until all the Jews in Israel are driven into the sea. Lets also not forget that many Palestinian Terror organizations have had a working relationship with members of Al Quada in the past.
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William Burns (sent from Mr Powell) aked Israeli foreign minister Silwan Schalom that both Governemnts (Israeli and Palestinensian) should increase the humanitarian situation of the Palestinensian people to make peace possible

Mr Schalom replied that Israeli government would first neutralize the militant organisations in the Palestinensian teretories

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p.s. today Israeli Military killed a 13 year old boy who was one in a group who threw stones. 6 others were injured
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Sting,

I am aware of past Arab- Israelis wars. There is no serious pan-Arabian threat to Israel today. Egypt is no threat, Saudi Arabia is no threat, and Iraq is no threat.

There was a time when this was not so. Israel is massively armed with every possible weapon from machine guns, to attack helicopters with rockets, to nukes. Plus there is American support in the region now. Their heavy-handed tactics are no longer warranted.

The argument for holding territory for buffer zones is invalid. That logic suggests the Palestinians should have buffer zones in Israel proper to protect against the invading Israelis.

Lets not forget that many of the Israelis will not be satisfied until all the Palestinians are driven out of the West Bank and Gaza. Lets also not forget that there are extremists in Sharonís government that have a working relationship with extremist settler movements.

Palestinians are currently asking for a fraction of the same plan they rejected 55 years ago. If the Israelis do not reach an accommodation here, they will have no moral standing left.
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No it dosn't end:

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Ha'aretz (Israeli Newspaper)

The two US envoys, Steve Hadley and Elliot Abrams, promised Sharon that he had nothing to worry about. The US will not demand that Israel withdraw under fire. In other words, the US will sit on the sidelines while Sharon and Abu Mazen trade constraints and excuses.
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Sharon and his men are crushing any splinter of political chance, any stub of a creative idea for a peace settlement. With the effort exerted in trying to kill off the roadmap, it would have been possible to build a big bridge of hope.
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Rockets fired from an Israeli helicopter have struck a car in Gaza City, killing a member of the armed wing of Islamic militant group Hamas.

Palestinian sources named the dead man as Iyad al-Bayk who was reportedly responsible for securing and hiding militants.

"One [rocket] hit the car from the front and the other from behind," witness Imad Mouhmmed told AP news agency. "There were pieces of human flesh flying into the air."

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Responding to the attack, Hamas spokesman Abdul Aziz Rantisi warned there would be "severe reprisals".

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Earlier on Thursday, Israeli troops killed a Palestinian near the Khan Younis refugee camp in the south of the Gaza Strip.

The man was approaching the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim and had ignored warnings to stop, the army said.

On Wednesday, troops shot dead a one-year-old Palestinian in Khan Younis in what they called a "very unfortunate incident".

The army said that soldiers guarding Neve Dekalim had returned fire after coming under attack from inside the camp.
Sharon Feeds Hamas whith what he is doing and Hamas gives Sharon what he needs to go on walking on his bloody path

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Careful when mixing opinion pieces with news reports.....
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