Our good friends the Saudi's on sytate sponsored television have had this to say:
[Q]Saudi Professor: Allah Permits Annihilating Christians and Jews
Sheik Dr. Ahmad Abd Al-Latif, a professor at Um Al-Qura University, was asked the following question on Saudi channel TV1 on May 24: "Some imams and preachers call for Allah to annihilate the Jews and those who help them, and the Christians and those who support them... Is it permitted according to Islamic law?" Professor Al-Latif responded: "What made them curse the Jews is that the Jews are oppressors... The same goes for the Christians, because of their cruel aggression against Islamic countries ... while the truth is that this is a crusading war whose goal is to harm Muslims. This is why a Muslim is allowed to curse the oppressors from among the Jews and Christians... Cursing the oppressing Jews and the oppressing and plundering Christians and the prayer that Allah will annihilate them is permitted."
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Sounds so peaceful. America and its cruel aggression against mulsim countries. Any ballpark idea how much money, cruel America sends into these muslim countries that we are allegedly, so cruel to. We could fund quite a school budget with it I assure you.
[Q]Sheik Muhammad Al-Munajid, a disciple of one of Saudi Arabia's most revered religious leaders, Sheik ?Abd Al-?Aziz ibn ?Abdallah ibn Baaz, "The issue is not one person, two, ten or a hundred going out with their guns to support their brothers. Defeating the infidels requires a much greater effort. It requires the mobilization of the nation. How can the nation be mobilized? I believe that the stupid acts of these Jews and Crusaders mobilize the nation. The big explosion will come! In spite of everything, it will happen!"[/Q]
The Big explosion is coming. Wonderful. A Saudi predicting a big explosion coming. This infidel is tired of this kind of rhetoric. Unfortunately we also have evidence of Saudi Clerics talking out both sides of their mouths. This can be presented later though. BOOM!
[Q]Saudi Sheik Abdallah Al-Muslih, chairman of the Commission on Scientific Signs in the Koran and Sunnah of the Muslim World League, used evidence from early Islam to support his claim that suicide bombings on enemy land are permitted according to Islamic law: "... Regarding a person who blows himself up, I know this issue is under disagreement among modern clerics and jurisprudents... There is nothing wrong with [martyrdom] if they cause great damage to the enemy. We can say that if it causes great damage to the enemy, this operation is a good thing. This is when we talk of Dar Al-Harb. But, if we speak of what happens in Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia ... this is forbidden, brothers! This is the land of the Muslims. We must never do this in a Muslim country."[/Q]
So yes, please blow yourself up only if you cause great damage to the enemy. Do notblow yourself up at home though. That is bad.
[Q]On May 10, Dr. Yassin Al-Khatib, a professor of Islamic law at Um Al-Qura University, declared on the UAE's Al-Majd TV, which frequently has Saudi guests on it, that "the honor, blood, property and mostly the fact that they entered the country [i.e. Iraq] ... make it every Muslim's duty to go out against them, not only the Iraqis. This is every Muslim's duty. Jihad today has become an individual duty that applies to each and every Muslim. It is forbidden for a person to remain silent... When the Muslims fought in Afghanistan they destroyed the Soviet Union, which was a superpower. It collapsed and Allah willing, so will this [the U.S.] collapse." [/Q]
Professor of Islamic law! It is forbidden to remain silent. You must commit jihad against the US to bring about its collapse?" Professor of Islamic Law!!!!!!! Sound like he has some influence.
[Q]On a March 17 broadcast on Iqraa TV, Saudi preacher Sheik Said Al-Qahtani discussed this issue, as well as the cases in which Muslims are permitted to declare a defensive Jihad: "... We did not occupy the U.S., with 8 million Muslims, using bombings. Had we been patient, and let time take its course, instead of the 8 million, there could have been 80 million [Muslims] and 50 years later perhaps all the US would have become Muslim... What should a Muslim do if he is attacked in his country, on his land? In this case, there is no choice besides defense, self-sacrifice, and what religious scholars call - Defensive Jihad... We attacked their country, and this caused them to wake the dormant enmity in their hearts... Especially since there is global Zionism, the enemy of Islam, and Judaism, and fundamentalist Crusaders... They interpret this whole incident as only the beginning and thus there is no choice but a preemptive strike." [/Q]
OK...let me understand this. September 11 was a bad thing. We should not have attacked America on its own soil. Because of this America was able to stir up resistence to us. If we had remained silent we could have taken over America later. This sounds like real SORROW over September 11. This is REAL condemnation.
[Q] Nasser Bin Suleiman Al-Omar, appeared on Al-Majd, on June 13, stated: "America is collapsing from within. Where are America's principles of justice and democracy? ...Islam is advancing according to a steady plan, to the point that tens of thousands of Muslims have joined the American army and Islam is the second largest religion in America. Today, America is defeated. I have no doubt, not even for a minute, that America is on its way to destruction. But as Ibn Khaldoun said, just as it takes decades for nations to rise, it takes them decades to collapse. They don't collapse overnight. Because Communist Russia opposed reality it collapsed immediately. America may not collapse this way. It will be destroyed gradually. America will be destroyed. But we must be patient." [/Q]
More with the rising up and overthrowing of America by Muslims living here.
More and more I see and read the same themes. Make peace until we are strong enough to take them over. Learn from Mohammad who did this to his enemies. It may take years, but it will happen. America will collapse. It is your duty to resist.
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Now with all due respect to Verte, one of my most favorite members of FYM, she responded with a thread about Muslims speaking out against violence. Anitram, another of FYM's great posters, responded to my questions about Muslim leaders not speaking out loud enough. Both have defended Islam wonderfully, but I still do not buy into it. It is one thing to have someone make a statment to the press that never reaches the peoples ears that it needs to reach, and it is another to talk doublespeak to one crowd and peace to another.
[Q]One month prior to Canada's decision to bar Saudi Arabia's highest ranking government-appointed cleric, Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, from entering the country, (2) the Saudi preacher gave a sermon on Saudi TV 1 discussing Jihad. Al-Sudayyis, who serves as one of the imams of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, stated: "The history of the Jewish people is written in black ink, and has included a series of murders of the prophets, the Mujaheedin and righteous people... But maybe it is the beginning of their end... You have revived the hopes of this nation through your blessed Jihad... With Allah's help, one of two good things will be awarded you: either victory or martyrdom." On June 11, Al-Sudayyis was given the honor of leading Friday prayers for over 10,000 worshippers gathered in the East London Mosque to hear him call, in English, for interfaith peace and harmony in an event that included Prince Charles via satellite and British Minister for Racial Equality, Fiona MacTaggart.(3) [/Q]
On the one hand in his country he preaches Jihad from the Grand Mosqu on Saudi TV. Excellent, and on the other, he Leads interfaith peace prayers. This is why it is impossible for me to beLIEve that there is peace on their mind. Maybe there is, but it is not peace unless it is under Muslim law in their mind.
Oh and one final thing....in response to an earlier bombing this was heard on Saudi TV:
[Q]In reaction to the May 1, 2004 terrorist shooting in the offices of an oil contractor in Yunbu', Saudi Arabia, in which seven people, among them two Americans, were killed, Saudi Crown Prince Abdallah ibn Abd Al-'Aziz stated at a gathering of Saudi dignitaries, including top Muslim clerics and preachers, that "the Zionists" were to blame. The statement was made at a May 2 gathering of the royal family, which aired on Saudi TV 1:e assured that the Zionist are behind everything. This is certain. I don't say this with 100% [confidence], but with 95%."
In addition to other leading Saudi officials, such as Interior Minister Prince Nayef, the following day Dr. Salem Al-Aufi, the secretary general of King Fahd Center for Printing the Koran, reiterated on Saudi TV 1: sterday we heard the Crown Prince say that Zionism is behind these attacks. Who helps them carry out these kinds of attacks? Who gives them money? Who gives them weapons? Who presents them with the evil ideology that brought them to this? There is no doubt that behind this, there are international organizations aspiring to undermine this country's security, and terminate its achievements, and at the top of these organizations stands Zionism, the enemy of the religion." [/Q]
This is from the Saudi Royal family and the Saudi Governement. Sadly, to them this is all about religion. We sit here in the west, with our view of peace and freedom, being more tolorant, a society in which we can all worship where and when we want, and not disturb each other. A society in which we can function under a government that is separate, for the most part, from religion. This is NOT the peace that they preach.
I cannot find it in my heart to believe that there is sorrow over the death of ANY civilians when I read these things.
[Q]Saudi Professor: Allah Permits Annihilating Christians and Jews
Sheik Dr. Ahmad Abd Al-Latif, a professor at Um Al-Qura University, was asked the following question on Saudi channel TV1 on May 24: "Some imams and preachers call for Allah to annihilate the Jews and those who help them, and the Christians and those who support them... Is it permitted according to Islamic law?" Professor Al-Latif responded: "What made them curse the Jews is that the Jews are oppressors... The same goes for the Christians, because of their cruel aggression against Islamic countries ... while the truth is that this is a crusading war whose goal is to harm Muslims. This is why a Muslim is allowed to curse the oppressors from among the Jews and Christians... Cursing the oppressing Jews and the oppressing and plundering Christians and the prayer that Allah will annihilate them is permitted."
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Sounds so peaceful. America and its cruel aggression against mulsim countries. Any ballpark idea how much money, cruel America sends into these muslim countries that we are allegedly, so cruel to. We could fund quite a school budget with it I assure you.
[Q]Sheik Muhammad Al-Munajid, a disciple of one of Saudi Arabia's most revered religious leaders, Sheik ?Abd Al-?Aziz ibn ?Abdallah ibn Baaz, "The issue is not one person, two, ten or a hundred going out with their guns to support their brothers. Defeating the infidels requires a much greater effort. It requires the mobilization of the nation. How can the nation be mobilized? I believe that the stupid acts of these Jews and Crusaders mobilize the nation. The big explosion will come! In spite of everything, it will happen!"[/Q]
The Big explosion is coming. Wonderful. A Saudi predicting a big explosion coming. This infidel is tired of this kind of rhetoric. Unfortunately we also have evidence of Saudi Clerics talking out both sides of their mouths. This can be presented later though. BOOM!
[Q]Saudi Sheik Abdallah Al-Muslih, chairman of the Commission on Scientific Signs in the Koran and Sunnah of the Muslim World League, used evidence from early Islam to support his claim that suicide bombings on enemy land are permitted according to Islamic law: "... Regarding a person who blows himself up, I know this issue is under disagreement among modern clerics and jurisprudents... There is nothing wrong with [martyrdom] if they cause great damage to the enemy. We can say that if it causes great damage to the enemy, this operation is a good thing. This is when we talk of Dar Al-Harb. But, if we speak of what happens in Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia ... this is forbidden, brothers! This is the land of the Muslims. We must never do this in a Muslim country."[/Q]
So yes, please blow yourself up only if you cause great damage to the enemy. Do notblow yourself up at home though. That is bad.
[Q]On May 10, Dr. Yassin Al-Khatib, a professor of Islamic law at Um Al-Qura University, declared on the UAE's Al-Majd TV, which frequently has Saudi guests on it, that "the honor, blood, property and mostly the fact that they entered the country [i.e. Iraq] ... make it every Muslim's duty to go out against them, not only the Iraqis. This is every Muslim's duty. Jihad today has become an individual duty that applies to each and every Muslim. It is forbidden for a person to remain silent... When the Muslims fought in Afghanistan they destroyed the Soviet Union, which was a superpower. It collapsed and Allah willing, so will this [the U.S.] collapse." [/Q]
Professor of Islamic law! It is forbidden to remain silent. You must commit jihad against the US to bring about its collapse?" Professor of Islamic Law!!!!!!! Sound like he has some influence.
[Q]On a March 17 broadcast on Iqraa TV, Saudi preacher Sheik Said Al-Qahtani discussed this issue, as well as the cases in which Muslims are permitted to declare a defensive Jihad: "... We did not occupy the U.S., with 8 million Muslims, using bombings. Had we been patient, and let time take its course, instead of the 8 million, there could have been 80 million [Muslims] and 50 years later perhaps all the US would have become Muslim... What should a Muslim do if he is attacked in his country, on his land? In this case, there is no choice besides defense, self-sacrifice, and what religious scholars call - Defensive Jihad... We attacked their country, and this caused them to wake the dormant enmity in their hearts... Especially since there is global Zionism, the enemy of Islam, and Judaism, and fundamentalist Crusaders... They interpret this whole incident as only the beginning and thus there is no choice but a preemptive strike." [/Q]
OK...let me understand this. September 11 was a bad thing. We should not have attacked America on its own soil. Because of this America was able to stir up resistence to us. If we had remained silent we could have taken over America later. This sounds like real SORROW over September 11. This is REAL condemnation.
[Q] Nasser Bin Suleiman Al-Omar, appeared on Al-Majd, on June 13, stated: "America is collapsing from within. Where are America's principles of justice and democracy? ...Islam is advancing according to a steady plan, to the point that tens of thousands of Muslims have joined the American army and Islam is the second largest religion in America. Today, America is defeated. I have no doubt, not even for a minute, that America is on its way to destruction. But as Ibn Khaldoun said, just as it takes decades for nations to rise, it takes them decades to collapse. They don't collapse overnight. Because Communist Russia opposed reality it collapsed immediately. America may not collapse this way. It will be destroyed gradually. America will be destroyed. But we must be patient." [/Q]
More with the rising up and overthrowing of America by Muslims living here.
More and more I see and read the same themes. Make peace until we are strong enough to take them over. Learn from Mohammad who did this to his enemies. It may take years, but it will happen. America will collapse. It is your duty to resist.
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Now with all due respect to Verte, one of my most favorite members of FYM, she responded with a thread about Muslims speaking out against violence. Anitram, another of FYM's great posters, responded to my questions about Muslim leaders not speaking out loud enough. Both have defended Islam wonderfully, but I still do not buy into it. It is one thing to have someone make a statment to the press that never reaches the peoples ears that it needs to reach, and it is another to talk doublespeak to one crowd and peace to another.
[Q]One month prior to Canada's decision to bar Saudi Arabia's highest ranking government-appointed cleric, Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, from entering the country, (2) the Saudi preacher gave a sermon on Saudi TV 1 discussing Jihad. Al-Sudayyis, who serves as one of the imams of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, stated: "The history of the Jewish people is written in black ink, and has included a series of murders of the prophets, the Mujaheedin and righteous people... But maybe it is the beginning of their end... You have revived the hopes of this nation through your blessed Jihad... With Allah's help, one of two good things will be awarded you: either victory or martyrdom." On June 11, Al-Sudayyis was given the honor of leading Friday prayers for over 10,000 worshippers gathered in the East London Mosque to hear him call, in English, for interfaith peace and harmony in an event that included Prince Charles via satellite and British Minister for Racial Equality, Fiona MacTaggart.(3) [/Q]
On the one hand in his country he preaches Jihad from the Grand Mosqu on Saudi TV. Excellent, and on the other, he Leads interfaith peace prayers. This is why it is impossible for me to beLIEve that there is peace on their mind. Maybe there is, but it is not peace unless it is under Muslim law in their mind.
Oh and one final thing....in response to an earlier bombing this was heard on Saudi TV:
[Q]In reaction to the May 1, 2004 terrorist shooting in the offices of an oil contractor in Yunbu', Saudi Arabia, in which seven people, among them two Americans, were killed, Saudi Crown Prince Abdallah ibn Abd Al-'Aziz stated at a gathering of Saudi dignitaries, including top Muslim clerics and preachers, that "the Zionists" were to blame. The statement was made at a May 2 gathering of the royal family, which aired on Saudi TV 1:e assured that the Zionist are behind everything. This is certain. I don't say this with 100% [confidence], but with 95%."
In addition to other leading Saudi officials, such as Interior Minister Prince Nayef, the following day Dr. Salem Al-Aufi, the secretary general of King Fahd Center for Printing the Koran, reiterated on Saudi TV 1: sterday we heard the Crown Prince say that Zionism is behind these attacks. Who helps them carry out these kinds of attacks? Who gives them money? Who gives them weapons? Who presents them with the evil ideology that brought them to this? There is no doubt that behind this, there are international organizations aspiring to undermine this country's security, and terminate its achievements, and at the top of these organizations stands Zionism, the enemy of the religion." [/Q]
This is from the Saudi Royal family and the Saudi Governement. Sadly, to them this is all about religion. We sit here in the west, with our view of peace and freedom, being more tolorant, a society in which we can all worship where and when we want, and not disturb each other. A society in which we can function under a government that is separate, for the most part, from religion. This is NOT the peace that they preach.
I cannot find it in my heart to believe that there is sorrow over the death of ANY civilians when I read these things.
, I guess im still mad that they don't try to fight us with swords and arrows.
They are only using that as propaganda to sway public opinion (which reading posts here appears to be working) or to get support from more Arab brethren. They know damn well if we really were as evil as they say, and we really were out to destroy Islam in a war as some have claimed, they'd all be dead already!
That is scary! 
