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Old 12-21-2007, 03:16 PM   #16
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i miss new england winters. from december to march. and then i'm very glad to live in DC from march until late may. and then i want to be back in new england from june thorugh mid-september.
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the iron horse, I know faith plays a part in your life - how do you respond to verses telling us to take care of the Earth?
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I remember New England winters. We lived in Massachusetts when I was a kid. They were cold as hell!
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Re: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Dispute Man-Made Global Warming

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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...8-3c63dc2d02cb


Reading is fun
Reading sure is fun. Here's some reading I did today.

I follow this geeky blog http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasur...ather.php#more on mostly health related stuff but sometimes they stray into other areas, like today, there's this piece on climate change, which I found amusing:

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Knowing which way the weather man blows

The 60s radical group, the Weathermen, took their name from a Bob Dylan song, Subterranean Homesick Blues: s' "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Now we have the converse. You don't need to break wind to know this weatherman blows. On his blog, Chris Allen, the TV weatherman from WBKO, Bowling Green, Kentucky, explains to us why he doesn't believe that humans are responsible for climate change. He is quick to say that just because he doesn't have a "Dr." in front of his name is no reason we shouldn't take his arguments seriously. We agree. This is why we shouldn't take his arguments seriously:

My biggest argument against putting the primary blame on humans for climate change is that it completely takes God out of the picture. It must have slipped these people's minds that God created the heavens and the earth and has control over what's going on. (Dear Lord Jesus...did I just open a new pandora's box?) Yeah, I said it. Do you honestly believe God would allow humans to destroy the earth He created? Of course, if you don't believe in God and creationism then I can see why you would easily buy into the whole global warming fanfare. I think in many ways that's what this movement is ultimately out to do - rid the mere mention of God in any context. What these environmentalists are actually saying is "we know more than God - we're bigger than God - God is just a fantasy - science is real...He isn't...listen to US!" I have a huge problem with that. (Chris's Blog, WBKO; hat tip Gristmill)

Chris Allen is no ordinary weather mannequin. Not at all. He's one of the Imhofe 400, one of whackjob Senator James Imhofe's list of "400 prominent scientists" who aren't part of the scientific consensus on climate change.

Chris Allen deserves to be even more prominent, so I'm doing my part.
So I scrolled like a mile down the actual senate report until I found him and here's the quote by him they included in the report:

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Meteorologist Chris Allen of Kentucky Fox affiliate WBKO dismissed what he termed "consensus nonsense" on global warming. "But, just because major environmental groups, big media and some politicians are buying this hook, line and sinker doesn't mean as a TV weatherperson I am supposed to act as a puppy on a leash and follow along," Allen said in his blog titled "Still Not Convinced" on February 7, 2007. "All of this (global warming alarmism) is designed to get your money and then guilt you in to how you live your life," Allen explained. Allen has the Seal of Approval of the National Weather Association. "As I have stated before, not only do I believe global climate change exists - it has always existed. There have been times of global warming and cooling," Allen concluded. (LINK) "If there is a consensus among scientists about man-made global warming, then at what temperature would they all agree the earth should be before they say global warming no longer exists? The answer - there is not a scientific consensus and will never be. And if there were one, they would not agree as to what temperature the earth needs to be ‘normal' again," Allen wrote in another blog post on June 5, 2007.
In fairness, I'm sure not all of them are this stupid but maybe the report should have only included 399 "scientists."
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If there is a consensus among scientists about man-made global warming, then at what temperature would they all agree the earth should be before they say global warming no longer exists? The answer - there is not a scientific consensus and will never be. And if there were one, they would not agree as to what temperature the earth needs to be ‘normal' again," Allen wrote in another blog post on June 5, 2007.
This is actually a good point. 25,000 years ago, most of what is now Canada and the Northern United States was under 1000 ft of ice. Siberian and Alaska were connected by an ice-bridge.
What is the "restore default" temperature of the Earth?
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This is actually a good point. 25,000 years ago, most of what is now Canada and the Northern United States was under 1000 ft of ice. Siberian and Alaska were connected by an ice-bridge.
What is the "restore default" temperature of the Earth?
Where was human life at 25,000 years ago?
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Where was human life at 25,000 years ago?
Why, riding dinosaurs around the Garden of Eden of coarse.


Actually, I believe on every continent except Antarctica and South America but other than knowledge, indistinguishable from us. However, how they caused the glaciers to recede northward without SUVs or incandescent light bulbs remains a mystery.
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Why, riding dinosaurs around the Garden of Eden of coarse.


Actually, I believe on every continent except Antarctica and South America but other than knowledge, indistinguishable from us. However, how they caused the glaciers to recede northward without SUVs or incandescent light bulbs remains a mystery.
Google Milankovitch!
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