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Old 05-29-2007, 01:02 PM   #16
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I saw that report on the news here last night (on our multicultural channel which is mostly govt funded and not a commercial station, BTW) and the report stated that there remains still 2 non-government stations, is this true?

Also I don't know enough about the situation in Venezuala, is the main issue socialism, or communism or Chavez himself? And is the US's interest a kinda "we don't want another Cuba, so we'll interfere with democracy as we did in Chile" situation?





In Venezuela we had four National TV stations, one belongs to the goverment, other always had been impartial, the other two (Venevisión and RCTV) always have made strong critics to Chavez.



The last weeks, Venevisión stoped critics and started to show goverment publicity (they sold out)


RCTV always kept the opposition "editorial line" and this is the reason why Chavez didn´t renew their license.




Therefore, opposition doesn´t have a national voice to organize and make denounces.


We still have Globovisión but this is a cable TV channel and not everyone can see it.




The issue is Chavez it self and his hipocresy when he says he wants socialism, but he really wants comunism, and that´s not a secret for anyone, exept the people that supports him and are blind enough to think he wants to be soicialist.




I think that Bush wont do anything at all, so be quiet, because , first, America is too busy with Irak and second, while Chavez sell oil to America, he wont be a problem and USA doesn´t need other problem that makes the oil more expensive.


BTW Chavez always makes chains for the most stupid things and he can spent 5 hours talking, now that we need him to talk, he just don´t.

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Old 05-29-2007, 01:04 PM   #17
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well, now he just made a chain, lest see what he will say







Edit to say: just more of his S*¨^@
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CARACAS, Venezuela (CNN) -- The Venezuelan government has opened an investigation into news broadcasters for allegedly inciting the Venezuelan public to violence over the government's decision not to renew the broadcast license of an opposition television station.

In a news conference and a posting Monday on the government's Web site, the communications minister, Willian Lara, described two incidents he said crossed the line: Globovision's "Citizen" program on Sunday followed an interview with the outgoing director general of the opposition station, Radio Caracas Television, with video showing images of the attempted 1981 assassination of Pope John Paul II.

As the video played, Ruben Blades -- a singer/social commentator -- can be heard singing, "This doesn't end here."

"The television company, in that specific fragment of its programming, committed the crime of inciting to assassinate -- in the person of the chief of state of Venezuela," Lara said, referring to leftist President Hugo Chavez. "That was the objective."

The program aired on Globovision, now the sole opposition station. RCTV had the nation's widest audience, counting 10 million of 26 million Venezuelans as viewers of its programming, which included soap operas as well as news.

Globovision's director, Alberto Ravell, said he was unimpressed. "We are not going to change our editorial line that we are not afraid of the threats from this government," he told CNN.

CNN slammed, too

Lara also criticized U.S.-based CNN for broadcasting video showing anti-government demonstrations, followed by images from Acapulco, Mexico, that showed protests against the death of a Mexican journalist and for juxtaposing Chavez with footage showing the body of an alleged al Qaeda leader and protests in China.

"CNN lies to Venezuela," he said, adding that he worries that journalism is being used "to present political propaganda under the guise of news, in a systematic manner."

In a joint written statement, CNN en Espanol and CNN International said they "categorically deny" the accusations.

"The reality is that upon being made aware of the video mix-up, CNN en Espanol aired a detailed correction and expressed regret for the involuntary error," the statement said.

About the complaint that CNN International tried to link Chavez to al Qaeda and China protests, CNN International Executive Vice President Tony Maddox denied, in a letter to the Venezuelan government, "any intention of associating President Chavez with al Qaeda or the China story," the network said.

"Unrelated news stories can be juxtaposed in a given program segment just as a newspaper page or a news Web site may have unconnected stories adjacent to each other."

Chavez announced in January that the government would not renew RCTV's license. He accused the station of supporting the failed 2002 coup against him and violating broadcast laws.

RCTV, which had been broadcasting for 53 years, was replaced by a state-run station -- TVes -- on Monday.

Demonstrators take to streets

On Monday, thousands of students from four colleges took to the streets of Caracas to make their complaints public.

"I think that, in Venezuela while Chavez is still in here, I don't know, I think we can't do our work," said Monica Herrero, a journalism student.

Sunday night, police used water cannons and tear gas to disperse crowds protesting the government's decision.

Eleven policemen were wounded, eight of them seriously, Attorney General Isaias Rodiguez said.

"To refuse to grant a new license for the most popular and oldest television channel in the country because the government disagrees with the editorial or political views of this channel, which are obviously critical to Chavez, is a case of censorship," said Jose Miguel Vivanco, executive director of Human Rights Watch.

"We have arrived at totalitarianism," said Marcel Granier, president of Empresas 1BC, which owns RCTV.

Granier accused Chavez of being "afraid of free thought, of opinion, of criticism."

Last week, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution condemning the move. Chavez has had prickly relations with Washington, referring to President Bush as "the devil."

Venezuela is the fifth-biggest source of oil for the United States, which imports more than 1 million barrels per day from the socialist nation.

CNN's Harris Whitbeck contributed to this report.
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Yet, across the gulf of Mexico -- intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic regarded FoxNews with envious eyes, and slowly and surely joined their plans against it.
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I work with a lot of people in Venezuela because we have a large affiliate there. Many of the professionals have already gotten their papers ready to move to Canada, where apparently there is already a very large exile community.

One thing they told me, which I'm not sure is true, but I'm really curious about; is it true that if you are under 18 you can no longer get a passport to leave the country? Is this true?
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:12 PM   #21
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I work with a lot of people in Venezuela because we have a large affiliate there. Many of the professionals have already gotten their papers ready to move to Canada, where apparently there is already a very large exile community.

One thing they told me, which I'm not sure is true, but I'm really curious about; is it true that if you are under 18 you can no longer get a passport to leave the country? Is this true?





Of course you can get a passport if you are under 18, but is your parents who have to make the papers, you alone can´t do it, anyway, get any paper here is a real nigthmare
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Of course you can get a passport if you are under 18, but is your parents who have to make the papers, you alone can´t do it, anyway, get any paper here is a real nigthmare

I realize that it would be the parents, it's just that a couple of the people whose children didn't have passports tried to go and get them and they were told at the passport office that it wasn't possible to get passports for their children until further notice.

Maybe it was just an administrative issue?
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:29 PM   #23
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I realize that it would be the parents, it's just that a couple of the people whose children didn't have passports tried to go and get them and they were told at the passport office that it wasn't possible to get passports for their children until further notice.

Maybe it was just an administrative issue?




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hey Caroni, I heard about this the other day. that must be so frustrating. all i can say is don't give up hope. maybe soon a positive change will come.

hope for the best just like sailor moon does!
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hey Caroni, I heard about this the other day. that must be so frustrating. all i can say is don't give up hope. maybe soon a positive change will come.

hope for the best just like sailor moon does!



Thank you it´s getting harder to have hopes, but I believe that God has something prepared for us



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Yikes Caroni, I never realised the situation in Venezuela is becoming this bad...

I can't help but stop and think about the freedom we sometimes take for granted here... I hope the situation will change though. Try to keep your hopes up for this, although it may seem very hard...
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Communism is such a good idea until it gets put into practise
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Is it really? Doesn't the end goal of collective ownership erode individual property rights and ultimately individualsm? Not to mention the bloody path to reach that stage which has repeatedly led to totalitarianism.
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Is it really? Doesn't the end goal of collective ownership erode individual property rights and ultimately individualsm? Not to mention the bloody path to reach that stage which has repeatedly led to totalitarianism.
If we all get Soma, who the fuck cares
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Caroni im sorry for what is going on but you need to stay and fight, that what people do, they need to rise up and fight and stay in their homeland and make a stand - if people just sat and let things roll over, then this is how shit happens! You can make a difference!



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Is it really? Doesn't the end goal of collective ownership erode individual property rights and ultimately individualsm? Not to mention the bloody path to reach that stage which has repeatedly led to totalitarianism.
I also believe communism is a good idea in theory, but know that humans can never live in that sort of society, as we are greedy people regardless, and no one can be give adminstative power in a communist society and not exploit it for their own gain - we are all far too selfish..

I don't think you'd lose your idividualism, rather you would regain your talents and skills and use these to help your fellow man and be helped in return.
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