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all_i_want

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global terrorism.

why did it begin, how did it progress and how did it gain the capabilities to attack and hurt the world's most influential nation?

why are these terrorist so eager and so convicted in attacking the US and its allies?

do they just hate everything that is good and fair in the world? do they hate freedom? what kind of internal justification is there for their actions? except the obvious going to heaven thing of course, which is a flat out lie.

let's discuss
 
The problem of world terrorism is many faceted and does not lend itself to simplistic explanations.

As a starting point I suggest you read up about the recent history of Afghanistan and who was arming the Taliban in the first place, also who sold arms to Iraq and Iran, etc. And consider who benefits from terrorism and the response to it (sometimes it's the same people).
 
all_i_want said:

why did it begin, how did it progress

I think it's a combination of sorts. You have those that are lured into a greatly distorted and perverted religion. Where their own prejudices were fed and strengthened. Then these individuals prey on the poor to build their following. Preying on their desperation, you have those that are willing to anything to get out of the life they live. Either through promises of heaven or just providing for their family.

all_i_want said:

and how did it gain the capabilities to attack and hurt the world's most influential nation?

It's easy to build an army when you have so many that are desperate for something else. And it's very easy to sneak in when no one's looking.

all_i_want said:

why are these terrorist so eager and so convicted in attacking the US and its allies?

Hate; developed out of a combination of feeling neglected, inferior, etc.

I honestly don't think they hate freedom, or the depraved moralality of the West, etc.

They just hate. They fear freedom because then they might lose the power to dominate their women, children etc. Many of them secretly drink, smoke, and take part in all the depraved morality of the West.

Yes part of it is their ideals, but I think it's a very small part.
 
They hide our true selves from their people, they make propaganda out of the worst of us, they see us as infidels, suckups to Israel, they are appalled by the rights our women are entitled to, they hate us for playing the world police, I'll probably think of more possible reasons later.
 
Oh Yawn, well I expect when you know two things you'll be twice as clever, that's if your brain can hold any more which I doubt.
 
I think that it is a combination of the progress of the last 200 years, the end of imperalism (the US has nothing on the British Empire) and the rise of nationalism.

I would also add that there is a significant religious compent for which Islam is the direct inspiration, It is not a case of perverting a faith to justify those deeds it is merely a case of following it too the letter and inventing a death cult around it.

Freedom, the right of people to live their lives the way that they choose is an issue ~ you may think that it is overly simplistic to say that Islamist terrorists are against freedom but you are not listening too them. They didn't oppose elections because they thought they were rigged, they opposed them because when people choose their government it goes against the will of Allah who's will is decided by the religious authorities. They represent totalitarianism in this day and age
 
america is not the world police today. the police are supposed to do the right thing for their community. america is more like a renegade cowboy.
 
The withdraw of the British Empire (were they "occupiers" or "civilizers"?) did leave the region quite unstable but that's a whole 'nother post.
 
and what do you think these people want? except the very obvious aim of utter destruction of the civilized world and everything it holds dear?
 
not really. ive got nothing against israel. i just dont like ariel sharon. i happen to believe that every nation deserves the right to pursue their own destinies, and it is usually through their own state. i believe israel has the right to exist as a state on its own right.

however, i also believe palestinians also have the same rights. its only fair.
 
The family had not suffered any particular grievance at the hands of the Israelis, Ibrahim said, although he was detained in 1989 and held for 18 months without trial.

The town has lost a large part of its livelihood because the separation barrier has cut it off from its 825 acres (334 hectares) of farmland.

In theory they can reach it through a gate, but it is rarely open, and the Israelis have begun chopping down some of the trees.
 
A Third Intifada?

Arnaud de Borchgrave
Thursday, Feb. 24, 2005

No sooner out of the starting blocks on a rerun of the Mideast peace process than an avalanche threatens to close the road. This time it is not the Palestinians and the long-running shell game whose champion player was the late Yasser Arafat. Israeli commentators already refer to the gathering storm as "the third intifada."

Writing in Yediot Ahronot, a leading Israeli newspaper, Nahum Barnea expects in the coming months, "a furious, hurt community ... prepared to take violent action and a leadership that is forced to line up behind the threats of the militants. This is a dangerous game of brinksmanship and judging by past experience, is liable to end up in disaster."


Writing in the same paper, Dalia Rabin, the late prime minister's daughter, said: "Wake up before it is too late. If we don't [act now] to stop the deterioration, we will once again witness the horrible spectacle of the murder of another prime minister." Next fall will mark the 10th anniversary of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, which was preceded by the same hate rhetoric now echoing throughout Israel.

Jane's Foreign Report, the authoritative weekly intelligence digest, says hundreds of Orthodox rabbis, including some in the armed forces, have called on Israeli Defense Force soldiers to refuse to uproot Gaza and the West Bank settlements.

The movement "Defensive Shield" claims to have collected 10,000 pledges of soldiers and reservists to refuse orders to dismantle any of 21 Gaza and 145 West Bank settlements. They house 8,200 and 243,000 Jewish settlers, respectively.

"Israel's army, long considered one of the main pillars of the Jewish state and a great social equalizer, is in grave danger of being politicized," said Foreign Report. It has been infiltrated by right-wingers for more than a decade – Orthodox seminary graduates and hard-line settlers. Some estimates have diehard right-wingers at 30 percent of the IDF officer corps.

Outgoing Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon, 54, who was not given the almost routine one-year extension to the normal three-year term, has already publicly warned that the army may fall apart over forcible evacuation of settlers. About a dozen reserve battalions are to be mobilized during the Israeli disengagement from Gaza, which begins next July.

Shin Bet (internal security) chief Avi Dichter warned at the start of the year that "right-wing extremists and diehard settlers were planning to provoke bloodshed when the army moves in to evacuate settlements."

There were also warnings of possible plots to attack Islam's third-holiest shrine, the Al Aqsa Mosque, to provoke Palestinians into retaliation and sabotage the Gaza disengagement plan.

When the Knesset last week approved the Gaza settlements' dismantling, it set aside $1 billion for resettlement. Many settlers plan to move to West Bank colonies that will also have to be removed if a viable Palestinian state is to be created.

But Edward Abington, a former U.S. consul general in Jerusalem who now advises the Palestinian Authority, said settlement expansion was "proceeding at a very rapid pace all over the West Bank. They are encircling East Jerusalem with settlements and roads only settlers can use."

Seventeen members of Prime Minister Sharon's Likud Party voted against the Gaza withdrawal. One began a roll call of Jews set for "deportation," adding after each name "Jew, designated for expulsion." But far left-wing and Arab parties rushed into the breach and saved the day for Mr. Sharon.

West Bank and Gaza rabbis say the Torah forbids Jews from abandoning any part of the biblical lands, and the settlers are duty bound to resist. Settlers wearing Star of David armbands, reminiscent of what Adolf Hitler's Brownshirts forced Jews to wear, have handed out leaflets calling Sharon "Hitler's partner."

Rowdies have already roughed up Cabinet ministers, some of whom even received death threats aimed at their children. M.J. Rosenberg's weekly newsletter says Transportation Minister Meir Sheetrit, who lost a child to cancer, was told he would soon attend funerals of his remaining children and that his late daughter's death was God's punishment for his ideology.

The Yesha Council, the settler movement's leadership, has endorsed a call to resist evacuation through civil disobedience. The fear is that it won't stop there.

On her first trip to the Middle East as secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice signaled that the U.S. expected concessions from the Sharon government to help build a democratic Palestine. She called these "hard decisions." That clearly meant the U.S. expected more than the evacuation of Gaza and four insignificant illegal outposts in the northern West Bank.

Little did Rice realize how even a no-brainer like the Gaza evacuation could trigger something as huge as a third intifada.
 
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