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Old 03-23-2006, 12:50 PM   #1
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Osama and Saddam??

According to reports Saddam and Osama were in contact with each other for several years, which could mean that "mabey" Bush was right in the conncection with Al Qaeda and Iraq.

According to a report:
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Document dated Sept. 15, 2001
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An Iraqi intelligence service document saying that their Afghani informant, who's only identified by a number, told them that the Afghani Consul Ahmed Dahastani claimed the following in front of him:
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That OBL and the Taliban are in contact with Iraq and that a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members visited Iraq.
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That the U.S. has proof the Iraqi government and "bin Laden's group" agreed to cooperate to attack targets inside America.
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That in case the Taliban and bin Laden's group turn out to be involved in "these destructive operations," the U.S. may strike Iraq and Afghanistan.
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That the Afghani consul heard about the issue of Iraq's relationship with "bin Laden's group" while he was in Iran.
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...1734490&page=1
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Osama and Saddam hated each other. Osama accused Saddam of beinig "an infidel" and "a socialist". Not exactly bosom buddies. I'm skeptical of any claim, I don't care who says, that they worked with each other.
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Quite frankly, for these "documents" to surface only now in the face of the Bush administration's credibility approaching new depths of laughable just looks like more smoke and mirrors to me.
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Osama and Saddam hated each other. Osama accused Saddam of beinig "an infidel" and "a socialist". Not exactly bosom buddies. I'm skeptical of any claim, I don't care who says, that they worked with each other.
Hatred for eachother can be overlooked when there is a bigger enemy (the West) in view.
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Hatred for eachother can be overlooked when there is a bigger enemy (the West) in view.
Saddam only became an enemy of the West post Kuwait invasion.

In the 1970s and 1980s there were all manner of Western governments and companies lining up to do business with the Baathist regime.
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This proves nothing.....

ABC's own analysis:

[Q]Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.



"Osama Bin Laden Contact With Iraq"

A newly released pre-war Iraqi document indicates that an official representative of Saddam Hussein's government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995 after approval by Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested "carrying out joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. According to the document, Saddam's presidency was informed of the details of the meeting on March 4, 1995 and Saddam agreed to dedicate a program for them on the radio. The document states that further "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what's open (in the future) based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation." The Sudanese were informed about the agreement to dedicate the program on the radio.

The report then states that "Saudi opposition figure" bin Laden had to leave Sudan in July 1996 after it was accused of harboring terrorists. It says information indicated he was in Afghanistan. "The relationship with him is still through the Sudanese. We're currently working on activating this relationship through a new channel in light of his current location," it states.

(Editor's Note: This document is handwritten and has no official seal. Although contacts between bin Laden and the Iraqis have been reported in the 9/11 Commission report and elsewhere, (e.g. the 9/11 report states "Bin Ladn himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995) this document indicates the contacts were approved personally by Saddam Hussein.

It also indicates the discussions were substantive, in particular that bin Laden was proposing an operational relationship, and that the Iraqis were, at a minimum, interested in exploring a potential relationship and prepared to show good faith by broadcasting the speeches of al Ouda, the radical cleric who was also a bin Laden mentor.

The document does not establish that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship. Given that the document claims bin Laden was proposing to the Iraqis that they conduct "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia, it is interesting to note that eight months after the meeting — on November 13, 1995 — terrorists attacked Saudi National Guard Headquarters in Riyadh, killing 5 U.S. military advisors. The militants later confessed on Saudi TV to having been trained by Osama bin Laden.)
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Saddam has already used WMD - on the Kurds - he poisoned whole villages some time ago. There is documentation (the pictures were on the news).

Saddam *was* an infidel...untill he converted to Islam (was that before or after he built the torture and rape rooms? Or was the latter his sons' doing?).

The Second Gulf War was after ten years of the U.N. telling Iraq they had to stop messing with nuclear weapon generation and let the inspectors see to it. The U.N. had Resolution 1441 that said if Iraq didn't cooperate then the other nations would use force against it. When push came to shove, only the U.S, Britain, Australia and I think Poland and Italy carried through.

Many of America's leaders said they knew Saddam had WMD and the man had to be stopped. The quotes are a matter of record (isn't it funny mainstream news can't remember that?). Practically no one has called them on it. Amazing.

One of Saddam's main officers just gave an interview and said that when it was obvious that the West was finally going to come, the WMD were taken to Syria. Syria had had a dam collapse, and Iraq pretended to be sending aid in a couple of large planes, but it was the weapons.

It seems there are people who want you to believe terrorists are good and the West is bad. But the history of freedom started in the West with the Christian-Judeo mindset. Europe has led the world in freedom!
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The Second Gulf War was after ten years of the U.N. telling Iraq they had to stop messing with nuclear weapon generation and let the inspectors see to it. The U.N. had Resolution 1441 that said if Iraq didn't cooperate then the other nations would use force against it.


you are incorrect.

resolution 1441 offered Iraq a final opportunity to disarmam and to provide a complete disclosure of weapons as required by Resolution 687, and “serious consequences” were threatened. Resolution 1441 threatens "serious consequences" if these are not met. It reasserted demands that UN weapons inspectors should have "immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access" to sites of their choosing, in order to ascertain compliance. Let’s note that Iraq agreed to 1441 on November 13 and Blix and ElBaradei returned to Iraq later that month, and in December Iraq filed a 12,000-page weapons declaration with the UN in order to meet requirements for this resolution. Each successive Blix report – in january, february, and march – noted a greater level of Iraqi compliance. No, not nearly enough, but enough to convince many nations that the disarmament of Iraq was achieveable without a direct, unilateral invasion by the United States.
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John Howard on the UN dealing with Iran
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"People who are critical of George Bush, and myself and Tony Blair and others because we didn’t keep endlessly going back to the United Nations in 2003 now have an opportunity to see how effectively the United Nations will work.”
The UN dealing with Iran
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The U.N. Security Council failed to reach an accord on Tuesday on how to respond to Iran’s nuclear programs ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060321/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc
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One of Saddam's main officers just gave an interview and said that when it was obvious that the West was finally going to come, the WMD were taken to Syria. Syria had had a dam collapse, and Iraq pretended to be sending aid in a couple of large planes, but it was the weapons.
I keep hearing about the Syria theory, but is there any evidence suggesting that this is any more than the next speculative escape hatch for people who supported the war?
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I keep hearing about the Syria theory, but is there any evidence suggesting that this is any more than the next speculative escape hatch for people who supported the war?
Exactly. I find it odd that Rini knows about it but somehow the Bush administration isn't doing anything about it.
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Exactly. I find it odd that Rini knows about it but somehow the Bush administration isn't doing anything about it.


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It seems there are people who want you to believe terrorists are good and the West is bad. But the history of freedom started in the West with the Christian-Judeo mindset. Europe has led the world in freedom!
The idea of freedom and democracy came from Athens way before the Christian-Judeo mindset. B.C., when they were worshiping Zeus and the Mighty Aphrodite....
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Exactly. I find it odd that Rini knows about it but somehow the Bush administration isn't doing anything about it.
Oh Syria is on the list as soon as Iran is dealt with lol. So much evil so little time!
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"I keep hearing about the Syria theory..."

Sada doesn't call it a theory. "The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun."
I sent the ref for this and my reply got deleted....sigh.

"but is there any evidence suggesting that this is any more than the next speculative escape hatch for people who supported the war?"

You mean like Ted Kennedy and Clinton? They both saw the same intelligence the president saw, and came to the same conclusion (and said so - it's on record)...for a while.
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