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Old 06-15-2016, 04:28 AM   #931
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I wish people would stop distributing this rumor that the shooter was gay. Such a headline feels like we've stepped back 20 years, and we are somehow shaming him or his kind by laughing at his potential sexuality.

The fact that he had been to the bar several times and used gay social media just as much supports the idea that he's maniacal and was plotting this act. Maybe he was repressed and self hating, I don't know. But until a guy comes out and says he engaged in some form of homosexual act with him, I wish people would stop accusing that. I don't know if I'm saying this correctly or not. But yeah, I'd like to imagine he wasn't gay. So maybe I have a bias there.

But something I've always hated is the labeling of people based upon indirect evidence (i.e. flamboyance or a high voice).
I kinda echo this sentiment. For me using those apps, scoutin gthe club, doesn't indicate he's gay at all. It indicates intricate planning... sure, if he actually dated guys on that app, that could change things. But if he just used it to scout familiar faces, find the best place they hang out so he could do his job there... it has nothing to do with his own sexuality and everything with his insanity.
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I wrote a similar post but just didn't know how to word it. I don't want to come off as combatant, as quite frankly I do not care about the fine details at the moment. But I suppose I do want to put this out there.

Gay social media apps tend to be very shallow. You're on there for a date, or you're on there for sex. You're not on there to find out what the cool gay clubs are. Exactly what GG says -- from someone with experience using these things -- nobody asks such a question. It is so incredibly uncommon... so much so that it's no coincidence.

As for him being a frequent customer... everything I've heard from original sources of the articles suggest that he'd been there before. They seem to have warped it into a thing of 'years' or calling him a 'regular.' I haven't seen anyone say that. I've heard that he'd been before, and that he was offish while there. And that he'd told people he had a wife and kids. And that he was at times belligerent. And that he drank alone. Nothing to do with dancing or enjoying himself. It sounds to me like he was plotting and hated everyone there.

This doesn't mean he's not gay either. But I fear this is a media narrative, based upon misconstrued and otherwise soft evidence.
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Jumping too hard at that narrative makes it too easy for Oregopa's SUV episode to blame his parents (I haven't clicked it because I really have no interest in watching it, but I keep seeing links to some video his father supposedly posted about god punishing homosexuals) or be like "see this is because Islam!"
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This thing seems to be more Columbine than Bataclan.

It's the perfect shit storm or very possible issue surrounding gun violence. Only thing we're missing is a history of playing violent video games.

It's certainly possible, and looking more and more likely, that his motivations included religion, shame over his true self, the disgraceful and continuing homophobia both in our nation and especially within organized religion, his father, and mental illness. Everyone wants to pick one, but it's all if the above.

The one thing that ties it all together is, still, the guns. Without access to this kind of weaponry he wouldn't have been able to do any of this. Period.
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This thing seems to be more Columbine than Bataclan.

It's the perfect shit storm or very possible issue surrounding gun violence. Only thing we're missing is a history of playing violent video games.

It's certainly possible, and looking more and more likely, that his motivations included religion, shame over his true self, the disgraceful and continuing homophobia both in our nation and especially within organized religion, his father, and mental illness. Everyone wants to pick one, but it's all if the above.

The one thing that ties it all together is, still, the guns. Without access to this kind of weaponry he wouldn't have been able to do any of this. Period.
Pretty much sums it up .

Your post does bring up one of the big reasons why it's so hard to actually get anywhere with these sorts of tragedies-there's a lot of factors involved, and people don't seem to know how to really juggle or deal with all of them. People seem to think that if you bring up the gun issue, somehow that means you don't care about religious extremism, or if you mention the mental illness (if that's a factor, and that's not always easy to pinpoint or discuss because of the stigma that still surrounds the issue) that somehow means you're excusing the shooter, or don't care about any other issues tied to the situation. It's like people can't comprehend the idea that it IS possible to be concerned about all the issues, and that even if your focus is heavily on one in particular, that doesn't mean you're disregarding or refusing to acknowledge the other factors.

(General "you" applying here, by the way.)

Plus, there's the obvious fact that it's just easier, or feels easier, at least, to fix a problem if it can be narrowed down to one main issue.

On that note, in terms of other issues that would be interesting to address, I'd like to hear more discussion about why it's young men who often seem to commit these sorts of crimes. A few women have gone on shooting sprees in the past, of course, but this sort of crime tends to be heavily male-oriented, and I think that speaks to some societal and cultural aspects of how a "real man" should act that don't get talked about nearly enough.
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Link? From what I've read, this is alerting the FBI post-shooting. Not pre-shooting.

Came from an Orlando local affiliate WFTV reporter Karla Ray. Came from a law enforcement source. Still probably vetting the story before it goes live on the site.


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Came from an Orlando local affiliate WFTV reporter Karla Ray. Came from a law enforcement source. Still probably vetting the story before it goes live on the site.


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A tweet from Karla Ray. I used to work in a local news affiliate. The News Director is probably working with her to follow up leads and contact the FBI. I'm sure as a young reporter she will face some deflection from the FBI and Disney as they scramble to get their talking points in order over what can be an embarrassing development. At this point it's out in the media ether so we will if more national correspondents can get harder answers quicker.


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A tweet from Karla Ray. I used to work in a local news affiliate. The News Director is probably working with her to follow up leads and contact the FBI. I'm sure as a young reporter she will face some deflection from the FBI and Disney as they scramble to get their talking points in order over what can be an embarrassing development. At this point it's out in the media ether so we will if more national correspondents can get harder answers quicker.


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I bet it was from misunderstood details. Disney has many magical things, but the magical ability to read a visitor's mind they do not.
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If she is right, that's a career boosting move. Get's her out of making 30,000 a year into a bigger market.


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Recommend checking out Samantha Bee's latest episode. Think I've said it before but the void left by Jon/Colbert has been picked up nicely by her and Oliver.

Tho I do really miss Colbert Report. Dude was so amazing with his character and interviews.


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I keep meaning to check out Samantha's show. I know there's a clip online for this week's episode, so I"ll take a look at that soon here.

I did like Colbert and O'Reilly's debate on his show the other night. Especially since Colbert didn't let up on pressing the gun issue.
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