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Old 09-19-2013, 09:03 PM   #76
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I can be disgusted by this act of violence and cowardice and still suggest this "ongoing mass shooting thread" note the following;

1) How many mass shootings occur in "gun free zones" (schools, movie theatres, military complexes).

2) How many times the phrase "numerous missed red flags" pops up in the days following the shooting describing authorities or administrators' interactions with the murderer.
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:15 PM   #77
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restricting access to guns reduces gun crime. there is no getting around that.
then how do you explain that some of the places with the highest murder rates are some of the places with the most strict gun control?
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then how do you explain that some of the places with the highest murder rates are some of the places with the most strict gun control?
The same reason a healthy person gets sick when they are surrounded by sick people. We don't live in bubbles.
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:49 PM   #79
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then how do you explain that some of the places with the highest murder rates are some of the places with the most strict gun control?

These are big cities with massive issues regarding income I equality and the host of problems that flow from that. But the point stands -- guns flow too freely.

A better comparison is homicide rates between states with stronger and/or weaker fun control
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I can be disgusted by this act of violence and cowardice and still suggest this "ongoing mass shooting thread" note the following;

1) How many mass shootings occur in "gun free zones" (schools, movie theatres, military complexes).

2) How many times the phrase "numerous missed red flags" pops up in the days following the shooting describing authorities or administrators' interactions with the murderer.

No mass shootings in Japan, which is a virtual gun free zone.
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None in Switzerland either where there are lots and lots of guns... by law.
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None in Switzerland either where there are lots and lots of guns... by law.
They're trained militia. Are you suggesting mandatory militia training?
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None in Switzerland either where there are lots and lots of guns... by law.

Here, read more about it:


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_p...in_Switzerland


Gun ownership is widespread, but *highly* controlled.

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In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still store ammunition at home today.[5]
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Starting today, I'm spending the next two weeks on the east and west coasts of the U.S. Will this topic be in the back of my mind? Definitely. What about my right to have a gunshot-free vacation?
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What about my right to have a gunshot-free vacation?
Stuck in congress...
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Lawn darts (also called Jarts or yard darts) is a lawn game for two players or teams. A lawn dart set usually includes four large darts and two targets. The game play and objective are similar to both horseshoes and darts. The darts are similar to the ancient Roman plumbata. They are typically 12 inches (30 cm) long with a weighted metal or plastic tip on one end and three plastic fins on a rod at the other end. The darts are intended to be tossed underhand toward a horizontal ground target, where the weighted end hits first and sticks into the ground. The target is typically a plastic ring, and landing anywhere within the ring scores a point.

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Lawn darts had been banned from being sold in the United States for many years. The ban was challenged in court in the late 1970s, prompting the Consumer Product Safety Commission to make a compromise ruling allowing their sale provided they were not marketed as toys. However, in April 1987, seven-year-old Michelle Snow was killed by a lawn dart thrown by one of her brothers' playmates in the backyard of their home in Riverside, California. The darts had been hidden in the storage room. Michelle's father, David, began a crusade to get lawn darts banned, claiming that there was no way to keep children from getting their hands on lawn darts short of a full ban.[1]

Due in part to Snow's lobbying, on December 19, 1988, the CPSC reinstated the outright ban on lawn darts.[2] In the previous eight years, 6,100 people had been sent to the emergency room due to lawn darts. Out of that total, 81 percent were 15 or younger, and half of them were 10 or younger. On the week the commission voted to ban the product, an 11-year-old girl in Tennessee was hit by a lawn dart and sent into a coma.[1]


Shortly after, in 1989, they were also banned in Canada.[3] Since then, alternatives have surfaced that are available for sale in Canada that are made of plastic.

It is possible to import parts of a lawn dart - plastic flights, metal bodies, and steel spigots - as well as a complete set of replacement parts to repair damaged lawn darts, into the US and Canada. However, fully assembled individual darts, sets, and kits are banned from entry by US and Canada customs.

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The same reason a healthy person gets sick when they are surrounded by sick people. We don't live in bubbles.
And we still fail to address the real problem.

When you consider how many millions of guns exist in the US, and the relatively minute number that are used in crimes, to blame the gun is empty rhetoric. Otherwise, we would see mass shoot-outs all over the country every day.

If you removed 90% of the guns in the US, you would not see a 90% drop in gun crime. The individuals who want to commit a crime using a gun will find a gun.

I wonder if the removal of guns should extend to the non-military sectors of government. Does DHS have the single largest non-military stockpile of ammunition in the US?
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We are addressing the problem and offering solutions, it's you who simply doesnt like the answers. I can only assume because these "rights"/cultural resentments are more important than dead Americans?

Australia did an excellent job dealing with its gun crime after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. Look into that.
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If you removed 90% of the guns in the US, you would not see a 90% drop in gun crime. The individuals who want to commit a crime using a gun will find a gun.
But there would be a drop, and a very significant one at that. So, yeah, I'm all for this scenario.
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