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Old 06-13-2016, 10:17 AM   #856
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What I've read is that they are leaning towards ISIS sympathizer rather than being trained by them. That said, I'd still call it terrorism as ISIS is actively encouraging this kind of attack. My guess is they don't have any other options in the US at the moment.

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Old 06-13-2016, 10:17 AM   #857
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I believe, much like Al-Qaeda, ISIS urges terrorists to link attacks to their organisation.
Most likely this person has never been in contact with anyone from ISIS.
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Old 06-13-2016, 10:45 AM   #858
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He doesn't get it or he gets it better than anybody understands. It's one or the other," Trump said of Obama on Fox & Friends Monday morning."We're led by a man who is a very -- look, we're led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind. And the something else in mind, you know, people can't believe it. People cannot -- they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can't even mention the words radical Islamic terrorism. There's something going on. It's inconceivable.
The Republican nominee today suggested that the sitting President of the United States is aligned with Islamic terrorism.

Let that soak in.
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ISIS is scary in that they target disenfranchised youth, and radicalize them. They use the trappings of Islam but it's more about death cult.


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Same as any inner city gang in the '90s. Now with the Internet and Facebook people can target and recruit wherever they want. As there is much good that can be done with the Internet and social media I think it's just as dangerous as the wrong people with guns in their hands. Just look at all the crap people post and comment on in their Facebook feeds with their agendas. People argue with their own Facebook friends on a public forum. To me that's something that needs to be further looked into. Great quote from silence of the lambs "people covet what they see every day". Social media is changing human behavior and personally I think it's leaning toward the worst.


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The Republican nominee today suggested that the sitting President of the United States is aligned with Islamic terrorism.

Let that soak in.
Can he even write in proper coherent sentences or is it all this nonrethoric?
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:18 AM   #861
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I believe, much like Al-Qaeda, ISIS urges terrorists to link attacks to their organisation.
Most likely this person has never been in contact with anyone from ISIS.
Which is exactly why I believe we should be careful in labeling this as such, it gives them more power than they actually have.

I think labeling some angry disenfranchised lone actor, Muslim background or not, as Islamic terrorism is just as dangerous. Would we label a lone abortion clinic bomber who happens to attend a Catholic church, Radical Catholicism?
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Which is exactly why I believe we should be careful in labeling this as such, it gives them more power than they actually have.

I think labeling some angry disenfranchised lone actor, Muslim background or not, as Islamic terrorism is just as dangerous. Would we label a lone abortion clinic bomber who happens to attend a Catholic church, Radical Catholicism?
We should.
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We should.
We should be careful labeling the lone actor or we should label the bomber "radical Catholicism"?
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Most likely this person has never been in contact with anyone from ISIS.
Apparently the 2nd time he was questioned/spoken to by the FBI is when he had some contact with an individual who had gone on to fight in Syria. The FBI concluded that this contact was limited/fairly meaningless and didn't investigate further. So he may have sort of peripherally known about actual people in real life who were involved.

I don't think that somebody has to be part of ISIS or al Qaeda for it to be what would generally be considered radical Islamist terrorism in any event.
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I think labeling some angry disenfranchised lone actor, Muslim background or not, as Islamic terrorism is just as dangerous. Would we label a lone abortion clinic bomber who happens to attend a Catholic church, Radical Catholicism?
Sorry but it's not the same thing. This guy didn't just "happen to attend" a mosque. He was investigated by the FBI twice. First, he was reported by his coworkers for making death threats and referring to terrorist acts/jihad in the workplace. Second, he was associated, however loosely, with somebody who apparently went on to fight for ISIS in Syria. Third, his father runs a religious non-profit Afghan organization which the shooter also participated in, and that father has been publicly supportive of the Taliban.

Now that doesn't mean this shooter isn't insane or a lone wolf but the comparison you are drawing is not accurate at all.

If you talked about a right wing Christian who had been questioned by the FBI for prior violent statements regarding abortion clinics, who had consorted with abortion clinic bombers and who was part of a family organization which promoted groups that behaved in violent ways towards abortion providers, then sure. But somebody who merely attends church on Sundays has no bearing on this.
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This is all just so ridiculous.

It's Islamic terrorism.

No it's guns.

No it's mental illness.

It's all of the above for christ's sake
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This is all just so ridiculous.

It's Islamic terrorism.

No it's guns.

No it's mental illness.

It's all of the above for christ's sake
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Sorry but it's not the same thing. This guy didn't just "happen to attend" a mosque. He was investigated by the FBI twice. First, he was reported by his coworkers for making death threats and referring to terrorist acts/jihad in the workplace. Second, he was associated, however loosely, with somebody who apparently went on to fight for ISIS in Syria. Third, his father runs a religious non-profit Afghan organization which the shooter also participated in, and that father has been publicly supportive of the Taliban.

Now that doesn't mean this shooter isn't insane or a lone wolf but the comparison you are drawing is not accurate at all.

If you talked about a right wing Christian who had been questioned by the FBI for prior violent statements regarding abortion clinics, who had consorted with abortion clinic bombers and who was part of a family organization which promoted groups that behaved in violent ways towards abortion providers, then sure. But somebody who merely attends church on Sundays has no bearing on this.
I hadn't heard some of the other background on him yet and I agree that the comparison wasn't apples to apples.
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*Reads the Trump quote that Headache shared*

Holy crap, he really needs to shut his trap.

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Which is exactly why I believe we should be careful in labeling this as such, it gives them more power than they actually have.
I've always wondered if that's precisely at least part of the reason why Obama's been careful with his language when referring to ISIS and sympathizers of that sort over the years. Not because he doesn't think it is terrorism, but because he knows how loaded words can be, and is aware that there's clearly far too many people who can't tell the difference between your average Muslim and a terrorist/terrorist sympathizer, and so on, and so he wants to try and avoid fanning the flames as much as possible.

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Trump also said he wouldn't push for a ban on assault weapons because there are too many out there. But hey, deporting 11 million immigrants, no problem.
As that tweet a few pages ago that someone shared so aptly noted, conservatives/Republicans believe we can ban anything in the world and it'll magically solve our problems.

Except, of course, guns.
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This is all just so ridiculous.

It's Islamic terrorism.

No it's guns.

No it's mental illness.

It's all of the above for christ's sake


it's also anti-gay hate.
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