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Old 12-02-2015, 03:52 PM   #436
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It's tough to keep track of those California cities sometimes, for a second I was worried because my cousin lives in Santa Barbara. He has been living there since before the mass shooting that happened there within the last couple years.
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I have a friend that is an employee of the County of San Bernardino

I think she is ok, many families and friends will not be. Local reports are that 3 men wearing amour entered killed/ shot people then got in a black SUV and left. They are gone.
At this point, I believe this is correct. I won't speculate on number of casualties or wounded.
I find it odd, that when these things happen we (and I include myself) tend to want to include ourselves in the story. These incidents are always 100% disgusting for the loved ones and friends of the victims. I always feel a sick inside knowing the extra pain these people will have to suffer with for the rest of their lives.

I have been to San Bernardino several times, I have never been to Paris, I have been to the WTC, when it was standing. And none of these things mean a damn thing to any of the families of the victims.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:54 PM   #437
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I find it odd, that when these things happen we (and I include myself) tend to want to include ourselves in the story. These incidents are always 100% discussing for the loved ones and friends of the victims. I always feel a sick inside knowing the extra pain these people will have to suffer with for the rest of their lives.

I have been to San Bernardino several times, I have never been to Paris, I have been to the WTC, when it was standing. And none of these things mean a damn thing to any of the families of the victims. I
My point was more about how often these things happen that it becomes hard to keep track of, not about inserting myself. I'm not part of this and am not pretending to be.
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Old 12-02-2015, 04:13 PM   #438
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What's scary is that these fuckers are still on the loose. Hopefully they don't go ape somewhere else.

PS. For the record, this isn't terrorism because the killers are white.
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now I hear there was a banquet for county personnel going on, (if this is correct)
my friend my have been there. she has not responded to my text.

conflicted, knowing there are dead people, I don't want her daughter, to lose her mother, but surely a lot of people have lost their parents or children today.
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My point was more about how often these things happen that it becomes hard to keep track of, not about inserting myself. I'm not part of this and am not pretending to be.
Who cares if you were, though, anyways? People feel effected by things, they share how they feel. If other people want to be judgmental, let them.

I did catch your sarcasm, though.

But certainly we feel connected to these things because we read about them, we place ourselves in the shoes of those involved, and hell, sometimes we come away very frightened to know that these things can apparently happen anywhere.
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I mean I get deep's point to an extent. I rolled my eyes at people who reacted to Paris by going "This is so scary for me, I studied abroad there four years ago." My post was just not particularly articulate in trying to say, "I actually forgot about the Santa Barbara shooting until just now, and you'd think I'd have remembered because my cousin lives there." The sheer number of shootings is overwhelming.
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sometimes I feel a little guilty,
feeling worse if I think they are (my) people dying

what was worse?
the 2900? innocent people that died on 911

or the 100,000? innocent people that were burned alive in their homes in Baghdad during "shock and awe" as Americans cheered watching it on TV, like it was a fireworks display
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this is especially scary for me as a U2 fan

I know for a fact Bono has passed through San Bernardino on several occasions

I just hope to G-d, Bono is ok
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What's scary is that these fuckers are still on the loose. Hopefully they don't go ape somewhere else.
that appears to be the case, if they got in and out fast

and get a clean get away, there are a lot of soft targets where this could repeat

especially if these guys have a little training and expertise
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Oh, look, another one.

HPD Homicide: One dead in shooting outside medical clinic | abc13.com
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not to minimize that event

but shootings at emergency centers, Clinica Hispana, are not uncommon, and they have detained the shooter
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now I hear there was a banquet for county personnel going on, (if this is correct)


"KTLA caller says event targeted by shooter(s) was a San Bernardino County Christmas party going on at the Inland Regional Center."


if that is correct, my friend Susan would have been a person likely to attend.
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not to minimize that event

but shootings at emergency centers, Clinica Hispana, are not uncommon, and they have detained the shooter
That's the problem. Shootings, mass or otherwise, are not uncommon in America. Carry on.
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that perception is not really that correct

again if you look at a country of 320,000,000 people, the number may not be as big as you think

and then go with approximate 195 countries and look at homicides per capita

and I doubt U S would be near the top

many think US is number 1 or at least in top 10, which I seriously doubt

all that said, I do think our gun laws are too lax and should be changed.


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San Bernardino County is the largest county by land area in the Country. Seems like they were targeting some county officials. Left in a tinted out Yukon black SUV. My early theory is that some county officials were turning the screws on the drug trade in some way, or maybe reneged on a backroom deal. The fact it was 3 men in masks suggests organization, but I shy away from a terror cell in that they go in to hit soft targets with maximum casualties and don't flee. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was some kind of Cartel or other drug dealing organization hit.
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