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Old 10-04-2015, 11:15 PM   #316
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Looks like the post has been deleted unfortunately but it was fun while it lasted. One bloke told me it wouldn't work in America citing population stats. Another told me the government is trying to ban all guns, which was a nice ego boost for me as I clearly knew more about the situation than her, an actual American (unless I've got it wrong? But no one is suggesting all guns should be banned..? They aren't here, we're just not fucking idiots). One told me that my views weren't representative of my town which I just had a huge LOL at because the people in this country who think that our gun laws are too restrictive would be fucking minuscule, like 0.0001 per cent or something.

The frightening aspect (and it truly is frightening, to the point where you kind of have to joke about it a bit because the reality is really scary) is the gun nuts. As Angela above has said millions of times, if you are are responsible gun owner then you wouldn't be pissed off. My dad's best mate has like 15 guns. He's got gigantic pistols tattooed on both his forearms. He was just in America for some state championship shooting thing. But he's completely on-side with our gun laws.
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There is an enormous urban/rural divide in this issue in the US, as there are in many issues. There's also an ingrained distrust of government. There are real cultural differences not just between the US and other countries, but within the US. And the amount of people here who likely think our present laws are insane is, like, 150 million.

What's disturbing is the lack of political will to do anything. The NRA is probably the most powerful lobby in the US. And guns are an issue that some people vote on -- especially in the primaries. Politicians fear the gun lobby. If Sandy Hook didn't create momentum for change, I honestly don't know what will.

My Facebook feed is virtually all anti-gun. I have one good friend who is a gun owner who I spar with (off-line) but even he agrees in some gun control and dislikes the NRA. There are many different countries within this country.
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One bloke told me it wouldn't work in America citing population stats.
I don't understand how they figure that.

(It's especially odd since our attitude about our country is that we can supposedly make anything happen.)

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Another told me the government is trying to ban all guns, which was a nice ego boost for me as I clearly knew more about the situation than her, an actual American (unless I've got it wrong? But no one is suggesting all guns should be banned..? They aren't here, we're just not fucking idiots).
You're right. Nobody is suggesting that, aside from perhaps a few particularly extreme anti-gun people. But most gun control supporters are fully aware that there are responsible gun owners out there, there are people who like to hunt and want a gun in their home for protection and things of that sort, and we're more than willing to accept and allow that. That's fine.

All we ask is that you prove that you're capable of handling a gun properly before you own one. Really not that much to ask, I shouldn't think.

And there may be CERTAIN types of guns that people feel don't seem logical for your average citizen to own. That does not, however, equal to denying people the right to own a gun, period.

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As Angela above has said millions of times, if you are are responsible gun owner then you wouldn't be pissed off. My dad's best mate has like 15 guns. He's got gigantic pistols tattooed on both his forearms. He was just in America for some state championship shooting thing. But he's completely on-side with our gun laws.
Exactly! Hell, I would think any responsible gun owner worth their salt would be VERY supportive of gun control, if for no other reason than the fact that, if I were a responsible gun owner, for instance, I'd be REALLY pissed off at seeing people abusing and misusing the right to own a gun and making us all look bad. I wouldn't want any half-brained idiot grabbing a gun and going on a shooting spree 'cause, hey, Second Amendment, woo! No. I'd want to know that I'm surrounded by gun owners who know what the hell they're doing with such a serious weapon.

But maybe your dad's friend and I are just weird that way ?
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I found this a pretty interesting read on why it's so difficult to implement a change:

Why Obama is powerless to reform gun laws
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34429918



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This was actually a pretty sobering read. Spare me this sanctimonious Australian self-congratulation after US gun massacres | Jason Wilson | Comment is free | The Guardian
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Some good points - but Michael Pascoe's editorial was excoriating and cathartic. If limited to this issue it's true enough that Australia "grew up" (Wilson has a point that we need to grow up on a bunch of other issues, but it's possible to respond to one issue in a mature way and to behave childishly about another). The gun-related violence through Australian history from colonisation to 1996 is bloody. Since then, it has been very limited.
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True enough - but I think his point about the snobbish pontificating is probably on the money. Our gun laws are better, but we're hardly perfect (though I don't need to tell you thaT)
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Not a mass shooting, but horrific all the same:

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Not a mass shooting, but horrific all the same:

... Stuff Happens..... .... Again, nothing to see here, there's really nothing to see here.
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The 8 yr old girl would be alive today if she and the puppy had both been armed (pawed) with an assault rifle.
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Not a mass shooting, but horrific all the same:

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Guessing gun lockers aren't mandatory in that state?
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Good job keeping your gun locked up there, dad.

Ugh.

(Also, an 11 year old getting in a violent argument with an 8 year old over a puppy. Gee, that's not an indicator of any future violent behavior to come, no...)
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LMAO at "My gun does not compensate for my tiny penis."

There are a few arguments on that bingo card I've been fortunate enough to not hear yet. But it's fascinating to see just how deep the stupidity and lack of logic can go.
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