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Old 10-02-2015, 05:58 AM   #271
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Simple confusion.



Nobody in Australia can understand why the US has such a fetish for its insane absence of gun control policy. Every time one of these shootings happens, people here will turn to each other and say "after Port Arthur in 1996, we implemented stricter gun control laws. Guess what happened? No more mass shootings."



Same in New Zealand, just replace Port Arthur 1996 with Aramoana 1990.



America, wake the fuck up to yourselves. If you want each household to have enough weaponry to arm a small country, then be honest about the human cost. If you think that human cost is too high a price to pay - and you fucking should think that - then get rid of the goddamn guns. It's not as if they're a necessity to life. Your life will be just as rich and fulfilling if you can't buy guns in every second shop, I promise.


There may be a fetish for an absence of gun control policy among a large minority here, but that's not the reason our laws don't change. The reason our laws don't change is because too many of our politicians are bought off by the NRA and the gun manufacturing/selling industry it works for. Mandatory background checks before gun purchases are supported by something like 90% of the population here, but that doesn't mean anything to a congress with many politicians who are in the NRA's pockets. This is really just one more case of a private industry paying off politicians to let them do what they want. Except it's worse in this case because that private industry is literally willing to let people get killed in order to protect its profits.


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To be honest, that wasn't entirely what I was thinking of... I mean I'm sure it's a factor, but there was a culture of masculinity 40 years ago too. Something else is going on. There are people with nothing to lose (or who think they have nothing to lose).
Reactionary ideology may have a bit to do with it, a fairly large portion of these shooters have been found to have unsavoury beliefs/fetishes. I would also say that the internet, in particular certain message boards, provide encouragement to these sorts of actions.
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To be honest, that wasn't entirely what I was thinking of... I mean I'm sure it's a factor, but there was a culture of masculinity 40 years ago too. Something else is going on. There are people with nothing to lose (or who think they have nothing to lose).
Ah, I see. I was just kind of expanding out from there with my thoughts, but I am interested to hear your other theories about why you think this is a big problem, especially in more recent years. I think Vlad is on the right track with some of the other possibilities.
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Old 10-02-2015, 07:53 AM   #274
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F**k Obama, F**k Congress, F**k Senate they are all gutless cowards and this will continue unabated.... and by the way F**k the NRA. And before I get flamed for being a"libtard" or whatever keep in ind I'm conservative Reagan Republican but the difference is I just don't tow the party line and can think for myself, anyway you slice it this is wrong and frustrating that NOTHING will be done about it.
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F**k Obama, F**k Congress, F**k Senate they are all gutless cowards and this will continue unabated.... and by the way F**k the NRA. And before I get flamed for being a"libtard" or whatever keep in ind I'm conservative Reagan Republican but the difference is I just don't tow the party line and can think for myself, anyway you slice it this is wrong and frustrating that NOTHING will be done about it.
This is one of those issues where the blame is not equally spread. This is an issue where the NRA, its lobbyists and the (mostly Republican) politicians beholden to them have systematically obstructed any attempts at meaningful reform and have poisoned the well by getting a large percentage of their base to believe that ANY new gun control laws are anti-American and a threat to our liberty. The sheriff of Roseburg, OR, incidentally, sent the White House a letter after Sandy Hook that flat out said that he would not enforce ANY new gun control laws, and would prevent federal officials in his jurisdiction from doing the same.

Think about that for a second. The NRA and its ilk would rather promote open rebellion in the face of any attempt at gun control reform than to actually find solutions to the problem of repeated mass shootings. The profits of the gun manufacturers seem more important than the lives of innocent people. It's maddening.
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It's sort of awkward that sheriffs run for office in the US (where everything from dog catcher up seems to be elected). Because in any other system he'd be sacked for insubordination.
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Ah, I see. I was just kind of expanding out from there with my thoughts, but I am interested to hear your other theories about why you think this is a big problem, especially in more recent years. I think Vlad is on the right track with some of the other possibilities.
Well I'm rather short on theories but I too think Vlad has a point regarding the internet.

If I had a theory it might be that this is a culture in deep crisis, not merely in the US, but perhaps in more extreme form there, and amplified by the relatively over-availability of guns there. The internet is just part of it all, but there is a drive to forms of absolutism (recycled or otherwise) that does not surprise me, in the context of a wider cultural milieu which has apparently no values other than the market, and money. I guess that most of us, most of the time, are on a relatively even keel. But not all of us.
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This has to be the final flub, right?
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Hey, sometimes stuff happens. Terrorists fly planes into buildings, man. It happens. You don't just pass laws and shit after that.
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This has to be the final flub, right?
He's at 4% now
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I'd almost expect him to drop out tomorrow, but I doubt it.
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Re-reading this thread is devastating.

Arguing against gun control -- sweeping gun control as seen in all other developed nations -- is lunacy.

I am proud of my country in so many ways. This is not one of them. I am at a loss to explain any of this. It boggles my mind.
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"[O]bviously, there are going to be those who are going to be calling for gun control. But you know, that happens every time we have one of these incidents. Obviously, that's not the issue." - Ben Carson
Of course it isn't! Why on earth would the issue of guns be discussed after a whole bunch of people were killed by those very weapons? That's just silly talk!

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