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Old 10-01-2015, 04:49 PM   #256
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This happened an hour south of me. Fuck, I just can't do today


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Old 10-01-2015, 05:03 PM   #257
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So awful. Ugh.

Yep. Just keep on sticking your heads in the sand on this issue, America. We don't have a gun problem. Nope. Not a problem at all.

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Old 10-01-2015, 05:26 PM   #258
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reports are:

20 year old shooter is dead

and

1. he had students stand and state their religion

2, Alek Skarlatos, is from Roseburg, Oregon (this could be germane, or coincidence)
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I'm done. I won't have kids in this country if something doesn't change. I'll find a job overseas somewhere. I kinda speak another language, and the media industry doesn't just exist in the US. I can't be here anymore.
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"As I said...just a few months ago...and I said a few months before that...and I said each time we see one of these mass shootings...our thoughts and prayers are not enough. It's not enough.

We are not the only country on earth that has people with mental illnesses or want to do harm to other people. We are the only advanced country on earth that sees these kinds of mass shootings every few months.

There is a gun for roughly every man, woman and child in America. So, how can you, with a straight face, make the argument that more guns will make us safer?"

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Old 10-01-2015, 08:06 PM   #261
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Hell, I could transcribe every word of Obama's statement. Please watch it. He's incredibly upset and repeats the consensus in this thread.

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Old 10-01-2015, 08:07 PM   #262
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My mom said that he stated that this was the fifteenth time he had to give a speech on this sort of tragedy since he's been president.

Fifteenth. Since he's been president. Since 2009.

How is it people don't see anything wrong with this picture again?
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I just want to cry, I feel so defeated right now.
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Just awful....I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of the US and this issue?
Simple confusion.

Nobody in Australia can understand why the US has such a fetish for its insane absence of gun control policy. Every time one of these shootings happens, people here will turn to each other and say "after Port Arthur in 1996, we implemented stricter gun control laws. Guess what happened? No more mass shootings."

Same in New Zealand, just replace Port Arthur 1996 with Aramoana 1990.

America, wake the fuck up to yourselves. If you want each household to have enough weaponry to arm a small country, then be honest about the human cost. If you think that human cost is too high a price to pay - and you fucking should think that - then get rid of the goddamn guns. It's not as if they're a necessity to life. Your life will be just as rich and fulfilling if you can't buy guns in every second shop, I promise.
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The way these events seem to be upticking in frequency, I'm left with the feeling that America has a lot more than just a gun problem (although better regulation would indeed be a much needed panacea there).
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Of course it's not just guns. What is going on in the minds of so many people that the resolution to any problem or anger is extreme violence?

I mean, how the fuck do you even begin to try and change that sort of thinking in society?

Which is certainly not to say I don't want to restrict guns. Absolutely, I do. It's insane.
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Even our hard right thinks your gun laws are fucked. My goodness.


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So I just watched Obama's speech.

"Does anybody really believe that?"

"Those of us who are lucky enough to hug our kids a little closer..."

And that's just a couple lines that jumped out at me alongside what else has been quoted here. Damn. He pulled absolutely NO punches.

And thank god for that. I'm glad he's angry. And I'm glad he showed it. That was a really, REALLY cathartic speech. Love that he called out Congress, too, for blocking any reform on this issue.

Honestly, as defeated as we may all feel right now, I can't help but feel, in the way back of my mind, that eventually we may start to see something change. I really think the pro-gun side should start paying serious attention, because I do sense that eventually, there is going to be a point where the scales are tipped so far that people will finally get legit fed up with the NRA and their ilk and tell them to just fuck off.

I know that seems unbelievable, especially considering Sandy Hook didn't seem to change things, but I have heard about individuals working in recent years to get some sort of movement going (including some of the people who've been intimately affected by some of these mass shootings) and as Obama himself noted, a good percentage of Americans do support changes to our gun laws. So I think the seeds for serious change are there. It's just a matter of pushing to make them a reality.

Maybe that's just my idealistic side talking again, too, trying to grasp at some sort of hope and optimism I can find after this horrible news. I dunno. But it's something I certainly would like to see happen (though, obviously, without yet another mass shooting accompanying the notable change).

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The way these events seem to be upticking in frequency, I'm left with the feeling that America has a lot more than just a gun problem (although better regulation would indeed be a much needed panacea there).
Indeed. The fact that it very often seems to be men, most of whom are young, carrying out these shooting sprees, should tell us something about our culture of masculinity, too, and the negative effects that come from that. Women have occasionally carried out mass shooting sprees, too, yes, but not anywhere near as often as men do.

And regarding the comments from our Australian posters here...see, that is one of SO many things I do not get about this issue. If our allies, the people we're supposed to trust and listen to, think we've got a problem with this issue, shouldn't that be TELLING us something? I know our country's got a very individualistic mindset and all, but good lord, our allies are there for a reason. And we can learn things from them. Lots of things.

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Old 10-02-2015, 02:43 AM   #269
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It is inevitable that the US will move towards stricter gun regulation.
You can't try to rationalize insanity forever.

The people who are responsible for preventing that moment to be tomorrow instead of yesterday should be utterly disgusted with themselves though.

I have to spend 2 weeks in the US later this year for work and I am fucking dreading it.
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Indeed. The fact that it very often seems to be men, most of whom are young, carrying out these shooting sprees, should tell us something about our culture of masculinity, too, and the negative effects that come from that. Women have occasionally carried out mass shooting sprees, too, yes, but not anywhere near as often as men do.

To be honest, that wasn't entirely what I was thinking of... I mean I'm sure it's a factor, but there was a culture of masculinity 40 years ago too. Something else is going on. There are people with nothing to lose (or who think they have nothing to lose).
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