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Old 08-30-2007, 03:13 PM   #121
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I just don't get the guys that assult people in toilets. Do they honestly think taking a swipe at another man's junk is gonna turn into everyone getting their freak on in the toilet? lol

Also, im not 100% sure what the story is here? Did he actually touch another man in the toot? Or did he get an eyeful when "picking up a piece of paper" (ewww on that who would touch paper on a toilet floor?)
i canna read between the lines?


this article in Slate does a good job explaining this stuff.

it also sounds like the Senator was guilty of not very much, so wtf did he plead guilty? it also sounds like police officers are a bit overeager with this stuff and certainly border on entrapment -- remember the George Michael thing? he said the police officer was looking at him and masturbating with the whole "come hither" look, and when George approached, he slapped a pair of cuffs on him.

these "vice patrols" are dodgey to begin with. i don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be able to enter a toilet and have it free of public sex, but so many of these cases seem to involve a sort of frat boy glee, and they are certainly much harder on two gay guys than they'd be on two hetero teenagers, that it all still stinks of prejudice. not that there aren't legitimately guilty parties, but like trolling for Johns in red light districts, i think my tax dollars could be better spent somewhere else.
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:22 PM   #122
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The Senator approached the under cover officer by peeking through the cracks of his stall a few times.

The Senator was on the hunt for some action, and just as if a Senator was soliciting a hooker, and were to get busted-this is the same difference.

He got caught red handed and needs to leave office.

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/...l?iref=topnews

Support for the serial pervert is is diminishing.

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Actually if this were a male on female solicitation it would not stand up.


When the police use female police decoys they get much more evidence than just looking at fake street walkers or tapping their feet or I guess honking car horns or flashing head lights, etc.

The John has to verbally offer to engage in sex.

I guess if Craig said something, or if he exposed himself that would be sufficient.
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:33 PM   #125
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Actually if this were a male on female solicitation it would not stand up.




I guess if Craig said something, or if he exposed himself that would be sufficient.
He did say plenty non verbally, where most people and experts recognize that 90% of communication is non verbal.

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If people were always convicted for non-verbal acts,
how much time would you be doing?
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If ppl were convicted for what they were thinking how much time would you be serving?

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I don't support it

but you seem to

so it is a question you should consider.
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I don't support it

but you seem to

so it is a question you should consider.
Well you couldn't unless you wanted to be locked up for a very long time.



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I don't get the impression that verbal offers are typically involved in this sort of thing at all, so short of saying 'only if you catch people in the act,' I'm not sure how else you'd go about policing stuff like this.

Dunno...I can see Irvine's point that this is arguably a waste of policing funds and manpower--we're really talking nuisance issues here, not security issues. On the other hand, like he said, "I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be able to enter a toilet and have it free of public sex" either.
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"I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be able to enter a toilet and have it free of public sex" either.
I think this is the crux of it, plus consevatives hold their leaders to a higher standard.

In other words don't be crusing on our tax dollar time, and if you do and get caught, please step aside, as we didn't elect you to represent the ppl this way.

It's an accountability issue.



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i'd probably do the same thing as Tucker.

Really?

An unwanted sexual advance is an unwanted sexual advance. In Tucker's case, assuming he's straight-would he ever react in that way to an unwanted sexual advance of a similar nature from a woman? So what is really behind his rage and dealing with it in that way?

Maybe Dan and Joe were just laughing at the thought of Tucker Carlson being able to physically overpower anyone, I don't know. I expect more from Dan Abrams other than frat boy sort of nonsense.
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I think this is the crux of it, plus consevatives hold their leaders to a higher standard.

In other words don't be crusing on our tax dollar time, and if you do and get caught, please step aside, as we didn't elect you to represent the ppl this way.

It's an accountability issue.



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erm, while i admire your attempt to spin this event as some sort of proof that "conservatives" are more virtuous than liberals, the fact remains that it's "conservatives" who seem to need all the ethics lessons they can get.

party of morality my ass.
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plus consevatives hold their leaders to a higher standard.

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Hahahahaha!

Good one, diamond! You are a real cut up.
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Really?

An unwanted sexual advance is an unwanted sexual advance. In Tucker's case, assuming he's straight-would he ever react in that way to an unwanted sexual advance of a similar nature from a woman? So what is really behind his rage and dealing with it in that way?

Maybe Dan and Joe were just laughing at the thought of Tucker Carlson being able to physically overpower anyone, I don't know. I expect more from Dan Abrams other than frat boy sort of nonsense.

in Prague late one night, i once had a woman touch my crotch as she slipped her hand into my jacket pocket -- it was a pickpocketing technique -- and i grabbed her by the shoulders and shoved her across the street. she didn't fall to the ground, but the message was sent and i was left alone. if a man were to make a similar unwanted advance on me in a public place, i'd like to think i'd just walk away, but if i felt threatened in any way, like i did in Prague, then yes, i'd use a degree of physical force.
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