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Old 09-27-2007, 05:30 PM   #331
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Thank you Mrs. Springsteen for helping me find this thread.....

I was in the Minneapolis Airport yesterday for a meeting (not in the Mens room though).

For me, the issue has moved beyond the "right and wrong" in this case, and how ANYONE can state that a judge SHOULD NOT have accepted his guilty plea. I am so puzzled by the fact that someone is saying "you are wrong for accepting my guilty plea."
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I am so puzzled by the fact that someone is saying "you are wrong for accepting my guilty plea."
The shifting and denial of personal responsibility is universal.
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For me, the issue has moved beyond the "right and wrong" in this case, and how ANYONE can state that a judge SHOULD NOT have accepted his guilty plea. I am so puzzled by the fact that someone is saying "you are wrong for accepting my guilty plea."
I'm not justifying what he did, but judges do refuse to accept guilty pleas and it isn't exactly super rare either.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:50 PM   #334
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I'm not justifying what he did, but judges do refuse to accept guilty pleas and it isn't exactly super rare either.
usually from mentally challenged folks only, not dishonest politicians or law makers.

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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - A Minnesota judge on Thursday rejected Idaho Sen. Larry Craig's bid to withdraw his guilty plea in an airport sex sting, a major setback in Craig's effort to clear his name and hang on to his Senate seat.

"Because the defendant's plea was accurate, voluntary and intelligent, and because the conviction is supported by the evidence ... the defendant's motion to withdraw his guilty plea is denied," Hennepin County Judge Charles Porter wrote.

Craig, a Republican, can appeal Porter's ruling. But it wasn't immediately clear if he would. Telephone calls and e-mails seeking comment from Craig spokesmen Sid Smith in Boise and Dan Whiting in Washington, D.C. weren't immediately returned.

When the charges first surfaced, Craig said he would resign by Sept. 30. But then he decided to attempt to re-open his legal case, and said he would stay at least until he found out whether he could withdraw his plea to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct.

If Craig resigns, Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter, a Republican, would appoint his successor.

Craig has maintained his innocence and said his actions in the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport bathroom June 11 were misconstrued by the police officer who arrested him.

The officer said Craig had looked into his bathroom stall, and tapped his foot and moved his hand under the divider in a way that suggested he was looking for a sexual partner.

Craig denied that in an interview with the officer after his arrest. But he pleaded guilty on Aug. 8. He later said he "panicked" in entering his plea, believing that it would keep the matter quiet. The Idaho Statesman had been holding back an article on rumors about his sexuality, and Craig said in court papers that he feared the arrest would trigger the story.

Porter rejected that as a good reason to withdraw the plea. Any pressure Craig was under "was entirely perceived by the defendant and was not a result of any action by the police, the prosecutor, or the court," he said.

Minnesota law allows a plea to be withdrawn if a "manifest injustice" occurs, but leaves it to judges to define that. Porter ruled that none occurred in Craig's case.

"It is not a manifest injustice to force the defendant to be bound by his plea bargain and the waivers and admissions which he made in conjunction with the execution of that bargain," Porter wrote.

He also wrote that Craig hadn't produced any "newly discovered evidence" that would clear him.

Roll Call reported Craig's arrest and guilty plea on Aug. 27. Fellow Republican senators soon called on Craig to resign, and conservative groups, which had given him near-perfect approval ratings, abandoned him quickly. Craig had been elected to Congress from Idaho in 1980 and was in his third term in the Senate.

Within days Craig said he would resign by Sept. 30. He then changed his mind, saying he would stay in office until the legal case was finished.

Prosecutor Christopher Renz had accused Craig of "politicking and game playing" with the legal system, and argued that Craig was urged to hire an attorney and had plenty of time to think about his plea.

Patrick Hogan, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Airports Commission, said in a statement that the commission, which runs Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, was pleased with the decision.

"The ruling continues to hold Senator Craig accountable for his conduct," Hogan said.
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Idaho Sen. Larry Craig defiantly vowed to serve out his term in office on Thursday despite losing a court attempt to rescind his guilty plea in a men's room sex sting.

"I have seen that it is possible for me to work here effectively," Craig said in a written statement certain to disappoint fellow Republicans who have long urged him to step down.

Craig had earlier announced he would resign his seat by Sept. 30, but had wavered when he went to court in hopes of withdrawing his plea.


In his statement, Craig said he will not run for a new term next year.

But in the meantime, he said: "I will continue my effort to clewar my name in the Senate Ethics Committee—something that is not possible if I am not serving in the Senate
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it's as if Gonzales has come back, yet instead of a compliant Mexican we get an uppity homo!
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I may be a minority here


but I think this guy is only guilty of embarrassing the GOP

they all know who their closet members are

they just don't want it out in the open
their faith-based sheep
are supposed to love the sinner, what gives
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but I think this guy is only guilty of embarrassing the GOP

they all know who their closet members are



they have a closet wide stance?
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Lauer To Interview Sen. Larry Craig

NBC confirms Matt Lauer will interview embattled Sen. Larry Craig next Tuesday. The interview will air in a Matt Lauer Reports primetime special. Excerpts will also run on the Today show Wednesday morning. Lauer will also interview the Senator's wife, Suzanne Craig, who will be speaking publicly for the first time about the incident and the events that followed. The special may also reair on MSNBC later in the week. ICN was first to report this story yesterday.
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Yeas & Nays has obtained excerpts of Matt Lauer's interview of Sen. Larry Craig, and his wife, Suzanne, which will be broadcast on NBC Tuesday at 8 p.m.

When asked if Craig regrets his decision not to tell anyone about the July 11 incident in a men's bathroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, Craig tells Lauer:

"It was a tough call, Matt, a very tough call....I was very, very embarrassed about it. I wrestled with it. I didn't want to embarrass my wife, my kids, Idaho and my friends. And I wrestled with it a long while. I sought no counsel. I made a very big mistake. I should have told my wife. I should have told my kids. And most importantly, I should have told counsel."

Craig's wife, Suzanne, also describes her reaction upon hearing the news. "When Larry told me that the story was going to break and he hadn't told me about it before that, I felt like the floor was falling out from under me. It happened right here in this room. And I felt like almost like I was going down a drain for a few moments."

Craig also takes to task Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney during the interview. Craig was one of two Senate liaisons for Romney's campaign before Craig removed himself from that position when news of his arrest broke. Romney later said of Craig, "He's disappointed the American people."

Craig tells Lauer: "I was very proud of my association with Mitt Romney. I'd worked hard for him here in the state. I was a co-chair of his campaign on Capitol Hill. And he not only threw me under his campaign bus, he backed up and ran over me again."

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Sen. Larry Craig says he will file an appeal Monday over a judge's refusal to allow him to withdraw his guilty plea stemming from his arrest in an airport bathroom sex sting.

In an interview Sunday with KTVB-TV, Craig repeated he will not resign his post in the Senate and said he will continue to work his legal options.

"It is my right to do what I'm doing," said Craig, an Idaho Republican. "I've already provided for Idaho certainty that Idaho needed I'm not running for re-election. I'm no longer in the way. I am pursuing my constitutional rights."
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["]I am pursuing my constitutional rights."
At least he still has some.
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okay, so i'm watching Matt Laurer interview with disgraced Senator, and i have two observations:

1. what a pathetic man. witness, all, what homophobia does to entire lives. he's from a different generation. i almost have pity for him.

2. Matt is pissing me off. gosh, Matt, you're so straight! look at how straight you are, Matt! you say, "the man said you cruised him ... whatever that means." wow! you aren't familiar with the term cruising. that must mean you LOVE pussy, Matt! good for you! you consistently say "lifestyle" -- way to avoid that liberal bias! you just call it like you see it, Matt, and you see things straight! remember to qualify any facts or observations with the phrase "members of the gay community would say ..." so that no one gets the wrong idea about you Matt, you and your fey suits and washboard abs.



it really never stops.
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it starts in 30 minutes here

i will tivo it
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okay, so i'm watching Matt Laurer interview with disgraced Senator, and i have two observations:

1. what a pathetic man. witness, all, what homophobia does to entire lives. he's from a different generation. i almost have pity for him.

2. Matt is pissing me off. gosh, Matt, you're so straight! look at how straight you are, Matt! you say, "the man said you cruised him ... whatever that means." wow! you aren't familiar with the term cruising. that must mean you LOVE pussy, Matt! good for you! you consistently say "lifestyle" -- way to avoid that liberal bias! you just call it like you see it, Matt, and you see things straight! remember to qualify any facts or observations with the phrase "members of the gay community would say ..." so that no one gets the wrong idea about you Matt, you and your fey suits and washboard abs.



it really never stops.
So now Matt's a bad guy?
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