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Old 08-30-2007, 06:04 PM   #151
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Ok,

I just read the six page transcript.

And Craig never admits anything.

And the officer tries several times to coax him into it.



I really believe if he got an attorney they would not have even charged him.
Same.

Even had he gotten charged, Craig had an excellent defence. Remember we are working on a criminal standard here, and there is no way I believe he'd have been convicted. Based on his own words, it's very possible that this was a misunderstanding.

I am not saying that I think it necessarily was a misunderstanding. But guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, it most certainly wasn't.
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Old 08-30-2007, 06:04 PM   #152
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This guy Allen, I believe is gulity.

He offered the decoy $20 to perform oral sex on the officer.



So who is included in your 'We' ?






The majority of the Republican party, and not you apparently.

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I have my own brain

so I don't really care what a majority of this party or that party thinks

or for that matter what most Americans, atheists, Moslems, Europeans or whoever think. Sometimes, majorities are wrong.
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Same.

Even had he gotten charged, Craig had an excellent defence. Remember we are working on a criminal standard here, and there is no way I believe he'd have been convicted. Based on his own words, it's very possible that this was a misunderstanding.

I am not saying that I think it necessarily was a misunderstanding. But guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, it most certainly wasn't.
I don't know how a person could read the transcript and not come to that conclusion.

I expected to read something that would lead me to conclude quite the opposite.
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Old 08-30-2007, 06:27 PM   #155
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I don't know how a person could read the transcript and not come to that conclusion.

I expected to read something that would lead me to conclude quite the opposite.
Well apparently the Senator felt otherwise, being there and witnessing first hand of what really happened, and maybe appreciative that the arresting officers didn't make a scene and thereby chose to plead guilty, after I'm sure he being a lawmaker got legal advice- but it backfired.

Now he has the hindsight, and arm chair quaterbacks on FYM supporting his current lie.

Speaks volumes from many angles.


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You know looking at these two cases.


Just answer this question honestly;


assuming both of the incidents happen to you

1. A guy offers you $20 if you will led him perform oral sex you.

2. You are sitting in a enclosed stall. A foot in the next stalls taps a couple of times. That foot slides over into your stall. Also, a hand appears under the divider.

Would you report both, neither, or one of these incidents to the police?

Which one would you be more inclined to remember?


I have never had a person offer me money for sex. If I did I would consider it a sexual advance.

I think I do recall seeing a random foot or hand under a stall. I just ignored it. And nothing came of it. I always thought it was a kid fooling around.
Perhaps it was a U S Senator. Regardless, I never considered myself sexually assaulted.
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You know looking at these two cases.


Just answer this question honestly;


assuming both of the incidents happen to you

1. A guy offers you $20 if you will led him perform oral sex you.

2. You are sitting in a enclosed stall. A foot in the next stalls taps a couple of times. That foot slides over into your stall. Also, a hand appears under the divider.

Would you report both, neither, or one of these incidents to the police?

Which one would you be more inclined to remember?


I have never had a person offer me money for sex. If I did I would consider it a sexual advance.

I think I do recall seeing a random foot or hand under a stall. I just ignored it. And nothing came of it. I always thought it was a kid fooling around.
Perhaps it was a U S Senator. Regardless, I never considered myself sexually assaulted.
You chose to leave out that the Senator peeked in on the officer a couple of times thru the cracks in the stall first in #2.

And I have been approached numerous times as a youth and young adult, but being a youth wasn't fully cognizant of my rights and did nothing.

If I was being peeked on in a stall in a public bathroom and that guy that sat next to me a started sliding his foot over and then his hand under the divider, then yes I would probably dial 911 and/or find the nearest officer and report him.

And if a fruitball offered me 20.00 for sex I would do take the same course of action.

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And I have been approached numerous times as a youth and young adult, but being a youth wasn't fully cognizant of my rights and did nothing.

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this is not about children or youths


and you know I have no tolerance for people that harm children


If you are including this into your thought process
then that explains why you responses are out of proportion to the actual incident
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You chose to leave out that the Senator peeked in on the officer a couple of times thru the cracks in the stall first in #2.



If I was being peeked on in a stall in a public bathroom

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honestly, I have no idea how many times I have been peaked in at when I have been in a stall


I have noticed feet outside of the stall a few times
but I didn't make eye contact


I suppose if I made eye contact I might be looking for a hook up

so if any cruisers checked me out,
they moved on because I don't play that game



Now, it is obvious a police decoy does the opposite, they do what they can to solicit sexual advances.
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if the religious right didn't get their blessed panties in a bunch over homosexuality this "behavior" for the most part wouldn't exist because these men wouldn't be scared to hide it from society.

ugh... it's not that relgion is a bad thing. if only those who believed in those religions didn't try to save the rest of the fucking world from their so called sins, we'd all be better off.

if god really believes homosexuality is a sin, then every gay person in the world will burn in hell for all eternity. shouldn't that be enough? the person who's doing what you don't like, if what you believe in is true, is going to burn like the flamer you think he is. have a cookie and shut the fuck up about it already.
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Sometimes, majorities are wrong.


what!?!?!?!

you mean to tell me that sometimes The Will of the People might not be what's Right and True?

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I can't believe you can be arrested for putting your foot under someones stall and passing your hand under there. What if he thought he needed some paper?
Here's some paper
RIGHT you're nicked homo!
or to somesuch.

I don't know if I really think baiting is a great idea. Placing temptation is sort of putting someone up for the fall. If i was walking the streets and found $20 on the road, i'd pick it up, look around for anyone in case it was theres and then keep it. What if police put it there to catch would be theifs? How shite would that be?

I sort feel sorry for the guy 1. if he wasn't doing anything, the fact that you can get arrested for such small things (maybe he was being jolly and tapping his foot in time with the other guy)
or 2. if he was doing anything - it jus shows another in the closet man living a secret half hearted life - shit scared of anything coming to the fore. Yes they still vote to keep them gay peeps down. and keeping the whole discrimatory actions going on
sad sad cycle.
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Agreed about baiting...I never how understood how those kind of vice/sting operations aren't entrapment and unconstitutional.

And re: deep's post above I would report neither. I'm not sure if I've been peeked at, but if I was a harmless peek isn't something to squeal to the cops about. Hell, I've taken the odd peek at somebody before, no harm in peeking.

As for the other one, I've had somebody randomly offer to let me go around the world for $10. Call a cop? No, I just declined, she said "my cousin's a lucky girl" and that was it. But then again I think prostitution ought to be legal so maybe I'm biased.
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