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Old 11-29-2005, 10:02 PM   #1
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One German's Opinion on the Ill Fated and Catastropihic Effects of Appeasement

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It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. This is a must read by all Americans. History will certify its correctness.

EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE (Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance,"now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists.

One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our time".

What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness.

Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.

His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes.

Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic so devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything

While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.

Appeasement?
Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

---God Bless America---
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Re: One German's Opinion on the Ill Fated and Catastropihic Effects of Appeasement

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It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe.
I think it's a bit fascinating that you should make such a statement, as though to somehow imply European opinions aren't as varied as those in the United States.

A few weeks ago I started a thread on anti-Americanism. Perhaps we should have have a thread on anti-Europeanism too.
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what a load of neo-con horseshit.

are people really dumb enough to buy into this?

i simply cannot believe how ronald r. still gets so much credit for "ending the cold war". people make it sound like he alone conquered and destroyed the soviets forever, when in truth anyone who knows anything about the ussr knows their biggest troubles came from within.

argh

i could puke, there's way too many things wrong with this.

we have papers in canada with writers who demand we americanize ourselves too.
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A lot of verbal diarrhea.
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what a load of neo-con horseshit.

are people really dumb enough to buy into this?
Why can't you just accept freedom? are you a Marxist?
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Regardless of how things play out in the short term in the long term any policy of accommodation with supremacists is not going to be viable.
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Originally posted by Zoomerang96
what a load of neo-con horseshit.

are people really dumb enough to buy into this?

i simply cannot believe how ronald r. still gets so much credit for "ending the cold war". people make it sound like he alone conquered and destroyed the soviets forever, when in truth anyone who knows anything about the ussr knows their biggest troubles came from within.

what zoomerang said.

Who is that Dapfner? Oh, a CEO of a publishing house? You know diamond.. Axel Springer Verlag is not exactly the stronghold of journalism.. and this is perfect proof we have racists in Europe too.

"How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany? I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people.." - this IS racist.

That comment is politically tied to the changing government in Germany. Hear, hear.. as soon as the conservatives are back in power, the rats creep out of their canals. Powerful publishers align with the politicians in power.
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I especially liked the bit where somebody being anti-Islam is declared to be racist.
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A-Wanderer, you will get the same problem with me, if you can´t differ between anti-Islam and anti-terrorist (or anti-Jihad)

By the way, you all (and also the sources you have been using) spell this guy wrong. His name is Döpfner. You can also spell it Doepfner if you don´t have the ö.

"While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems"

Döpfner, one of the greatest scourges of the world, is obviously too well off to care about the poor and needy. And he has the nerve to speak about the "left establishment"? Nice.

I remember when he kicked out Leo Kirch. To see capitialists intrigate against each other is very amusing.
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Hm, it's the same publisher the Bild comes from. More yellow press isn't possible.
OK, "Die Welt" is said to be reputable, but nonetheless I wouldn't buy it.

This article sounds like every Muslim is a terrorist. What a crap! We have about 7 to 8 million Muslims here in Germany. And maybe 100 are fundamentalist.

It's like after the tragedy in Erfurt where one student killed 14 people and himself in school when the media said everyone who plays computergames is a danger to society.

I dodn't hear about the holiday thy are planning. I also don't know how serious this is, in the last weeks there came alot out of our new Government, but I think regarding to how many Muslims we have, and 99 percent of them are peaceful, we should really think if it's acceptable to have nearly a dozen of Christian holidays, and not one single day of a Muslim holiday.

The problem in fact is that the Muslims don't go out on the street in protest everytime when some Islamic fundamentalists killed innocent people. So it appears like they are tolerating what is going on. But the large majority doesn't support this terror.

Ronald Reagan really is not the only one who ended the cold war. If there was no Perestroika and Glasnot led by Gorbatschow, the cold war wouldn't have ended, the protests in the GDR would have ended like the protests of July 17, 1953, and the Soviet Union wouldn't have stopped to exist that peacefully.
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Hear, hear.. as soon as the conservatives are back in power, the rats creep out of their canals. Powerful publishers align with the politicians in power.
Actually I think this is an artilce from a few months back. I remember something very similar to it being posted before.
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Hm, whenhiphopdrovethebigcars is still right in a way then, because the conservatives, CDU, have been seen as our next government since the beginning of 2005. It was clear that Red/Green won't win again, and when in May Schroeder announced the election to be brought forward the CDU was near a total majority.

I don't know that much about Doepfner, but I think he is very populistic as the Bild is.
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