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Old 12-02-2005, 07:27 AM   #61
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okay, this is hitting below the belt.

you're going to call a widely respected Vietnam veteran a Fat Bastard?

yes, anyone who disagrees with Bush is a traitor.

perhaps they should be tortured until they agree with the threatened State?

go read some fucking Orwell.
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go read some fucking Orwell.
Or just go read...
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Wow, when you don't use words people project an argument upon you, fascinating.

Cheney put forth a legitimate position
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Wow, when you don't use words people project an argument upon you, fascinating.
Ideas are ideas, context is context.

Does not using words keep you immune from criticism?
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No, but their ambiguity and degree of intent ensure that your critics reveal a lot more about what they percieve than what you were trying to convey.
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No, but their ambiguity and degree of intent ensure that your critics reveal a lot more about what they percieve than what you were trying to convey.
But if you aren't willing to or not capable, etc of explaining intent in words and use what some may see as a very childish or cowardly means of making your argument, then what else would one expect?
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No, but their ambiguity and degree of intent ensure that your critics reveal a lot more about what they percieve than what you were trying to convey.
It's diamond. There is no ambiguity. What you see is what you get.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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okay, this is hitting below the belt.

you're going to call a widely respected Vietnam veteran a Fat Bastard?

yes, anyone who disagrees with Bush is a traitor.

perhaps they should be tortured until they agree with the threatened State?

go read some fucking Orwell.
Um, the side by side pictures of GWB and monkeys is considered "proper" humor by those on the left.
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Um, the side by side pictures of GWB and monkeys is considered "proper" humor by those on the left.


um, have i ever posted those?

um, who has called them proper?

um, how do you understand the "left"? i go to great lengths to distinguish amongst christians using qualifier after qualifier after qualifier, it would be nice if others would return the favor.

i also think there's a level of difference in appropriateness between someone mocking the most powerful man in the world and a congressman who is a decorated war veteran -- something GWB is most assuredly not -- who has only made news because of his stance on the war itself. there was also the picture of Benedict Arnold. i think there's a difference between mocking the president -- shall we get into the right's caricatures and fantasies of clinton, you know, that coke-snorting murderer -- who is a larger-than-life figure in both political and popular culture, and a senator who is only now part of the political conversation because of his specific stance on one particular issue.
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um, have i ever posted those?

um, who has called them proper?

um, how do you understand the "left"? i go to great lengths to distinguish amongst christians using qualifier after qualifier after qualifier, it would be nice if others would return the favor.

i also think there's a level of difference in appropriateness between someone mocking the most powerful man in the world and a congressman who is a decorated war veteran -- something GWB is most assuredly not -- who has only made news because of his stance on the war itself. there was also the picture of Benedict Arnold. i think there's a difference between mocking the president -- shall we get into the right's caricatures and fantasies of clinton, you know, that coke-snorting murderer -- who is a larger-than-life figure in both political and popular culture, and a senator who is only now part of the political conversation because of his specific stance on one particular issue.
Um, did I say you've posted those pictures?

And when they are posted, they usually are met with a series of laughs or silence.

So, instead of seeing a mild resemblence between two pictures, we get a form of indignant outrage about what the picture suggests. The humor of FYM, even weak humor, is battered once again.
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Um, did I say you've posted those pictures?

And when they are posted, they usually are met with a series of laughs or silence.

So, instead of seeing a mild resemblence between two pictures, we get a form of indignant outrage about what the picture suggests. The humor of FYM, even weak humor, is battered once again.


you quoted my response -- indicating it was inappropriate in view of how pictures of bush are met with "a series of laughs or silence."

the difference, in my mind, is twofold -- first, that bush (like all presidents) is someone who transcends all categories and is a part of popular culture and political culture. he -- and cheney, an clinton, and bush 1, and jimmy carter, are mocked on SNL, for example, more as personalities than in response to a specific policy. it's false to view the two attempts at humor as being even remotely equivalent.

murtha, by contrast, is hardly a household name and only made it into the news when he spoke out against the Iraq War. mirroring the WH's agenda of bashing those who disagree, and then suggesting that those who dissent are helping the terrorists, it's less that the pictures posted weren't funny (they aren't) and more that they conveyed an almost totalitarian message -- hence, the Orwell reference.

what are the pictures to do other than suggest? humor works on many levels, and it's the responsible, alert citizen who understands how these things function above and beyond their immediate resemblances. calling bush a buffoon is one thing. implying that murtha is a benedict arnold or a fat bastard is something else.
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So when Cheney prefixed a rebuttle by describing Murtha as a patriot it was really a way of bashing him.
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So when Cheney prefixed a rebuttle by describing Murtha as a patriot it was really a way of bashing him.


i'm talking more about when Rep. Jean Schmidt called him a "coward" on the floor of Congress.

Cheney and Bush were careful with Murtha, but Cheney has been brutal when it comes to "some Democrats" -- essentially saying that criticism of the conduct of the war hurt American soldiers.
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