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Old 12-02-2004, 03:20 PM   #16
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I'm not sure why this is still a debatable topic if Clinton admitted to it years ago.
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Old 12-02-2004, 04:50 PM   #17
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When the whole Lewinsky thing happened I was of the opinion that Clinton had disgraced the office of President and should resign. However, after the past four years I would gladly have him back in the White House.
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There seems to be a strange insurgence of conservatives on this board.
With your use of the word insurgence, are you trying to say conservatives are terrorists?
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Old 12-02-2004, 04:55 PM   #19
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Um, any chance you can link an article that says of any of these things?

If so, your original statement makes more sense.

sure

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Clinton rips media, Ken Starr after opening of presidential library

JAMES JEFFERSON, Associated Press Writer

Friday, November 19, 2004
(11-19) 15:55 PST LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) --

In a prime-time television outburst, Bill Clinton ripped old nemesis Kenneth Starr and what the former president portrayed as a gullible media eager to report every "sleazy thing" leaked from a prosecutor bent on bringing him down.

The exchange came in an interview with ABC news anchor Peter Jennings that aired Thursday night, hours after Clinton opened his $165 million presidential library. Clinton blasted Starr and spoke disdainfully of a national media that he suggested was complicit in a scheme to ruin his presidency.

"No other president ever had to endure someone like Ken Starr," Clinton said. "No one ever had to try to save people from ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, and people in Haiti from a military dictator that was murdering them, and all the other problems I dealt with, while every day an entire apparatus was devoted to destroying him."

The former president said he would go to his grave at peace that, while he had personal failings, he never lied to the American people about his job as president.

Clinton added that he doesn't care about what his detractors think about him. Jennings then said it seemed to him that Clinton did care.

The former president responded, "You don't want to go here, Peter. You don't want to go here. Not after what you people did and the way you, your network, what you did with Kenneth Starr. The way your people repeated every, little sleazy thing he leaked. No one has any idea what that's like."

"You never had to live in a time when people you knew and cared about were being indicted, carted off to jail, bankrupted, ruined, because they were Democrats and because they would not lie," he said. "So, I think we showed a lot of moral fiber to stand up to that. To stand up to these constant investigations, to this constant bodyguard of lies, this avalanche that was thrown at all of us. And, yes, I failed once. And I sure paid for it. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the American people. And I'm sorry for the embarrassment they performed."

Starr's former chief deputy said Friday he understood the difficulty for Clinton, but added that the bipartisan staff did what they had to do and performed honorably in seeking the truth.

"It's not easy being accused of things. We had allegations and we had to investigate them," Hickman Ewing said. "We believe we performed in an honorable manner."

As for the news coverage, he said the media "reported what they thought was news worthy."

A seven-year, $70 million investigation conducted mostly by Starr ranged from Clinton's involvement in the Whitewater land deal in the 1980s to the president's affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Clinton was not among the dozen Arkansans indicted on criminal charges in the far-ranging Whitewater probe, but his affair with Lewinsky, a one-time White House intern, led to his impeachment by the GOP-controlled House in 1998. He was acquitted following a Senate trial.

Starr, now dean of the Pepperdine University law school, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Friday.


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Of course he cares, his detractors nearly jeopardized his presidency.
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Old 12-03-2004, 08:28 AM   #21
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well, I am pretty sure that with the status of partisan politics, if the case were the other way around, the Republican would be trashed. It is just the way politics goes and we should not kid ourselves into thinking that one party holds a monopoly on goodness. These parties are populated by human beings after all.

In regards to Clinton's presidency being these halcyon days of yore, that belief tends to cloud the facts. Now, before I go on , I want to state that I am not blaming Clinton for the following events:USS Cole, Embassy bombings, WTC bombings, Bosnia/Kosovo, Rwanda, constant threat of war with Irag during the latter part of his administration. All these under his watch. However, I think it is a bit naive to be nostalgic for the Clinton years. Regarding the economy, I think it is better to look at the economy within a much bigger picture. One can easily say that the U.S. economy since 1980 was on an upward trend with a small bump during the end of Bush 41, and the transition period between Clinton and Bush 43 when the stock market dropped considerably. Presidents of both parties generally rerceive too much credit/blame for economic trends. Though they contribute, ofttimes, market forces are outside their control. A good example (though somewhat date) of blame is the Van Buren presidency. The Panic of 1837 was disastrous and Van Buren was castigated for it. However, it came as a result of Jackson's war against the National Bank, combined with some other trends that had been occurring. However, Van Buren was president when the collapse occurred and he was booted at the end of four years, along with his party.
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Old 12-03-2004, 10:55 AM   #22
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Presidents of both parties generally rerceive too much credit/blame for economic trends. Though they contribute, ofttimes, market forces are outside their control.
I agree, good points made. We often ignore what 9/11 did to our economy, or we just expect an overnight recovery for whatever reason. That's unrealistic.
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