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Old 09-17-2004, 02:31 AM   #76
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Really? You have made a few references to the church lieing.
Yes, that was all to do with the shroud incident and other assorted things (I won't go through them now, I may have mentioned some before). None of this was directly related to me of course.
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Yes, that was all to do with the shroud incident and other assorted things (I won't go through them now, I may have mentioned some before). None of this was directly related to me of course.
Exactly. I think the church tells porkies on a regular basis but it doesnt bother me. Not my concern, nothing to do with me. Im not a Christian.
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Exactly. I think the church tells porkies on a regular basis but it doesnt bother me. Not my concern, nothing to do with me. Im not a Christian.
A bit bigger than porkies I'd say, stuff that can change peoples lives quite significantly.
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A bit bigger than porkies I'd say, stuff that can change peoples lives quite significantly.
Only if you believe.
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Aussie, do you want to meet me in the chat room? Or do you have msn?
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I dont think the church purposely lied about the shroud of turin. carbon dating is not that old, in terms of history, so they were only going by what they 'thought'. as soon as it was found to be fake, there was much hoopla over it. no big conspiricies there, sorry.
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I dont think the church purposely lied about the shroud of turin. carbon dating is not that old, in terms of history, so they were only going by what they 'thought'. as soon as it was found to be fake, there was much hoopla over it. no big conspiricies there, sorry.
Okay I hear a lot of this 'it wasn't intended at all,' and I would really like to know what makes you think that. I talked about this on my other posts. Please read it. Cheers
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it wasnt intended because due to the LACK of carbon dating, they had no idea it was fake.

how would they have known it was a fake? magic?
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Hi Ausse,

Can you turn your msn on please You are currently offline. lol

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it wasnt intended because due to the LACK of carbon dating, they had no idea it was fake.

how would they have known it was a fake? magic?
I think you are completely missing my point. I am asking why people think that the Church didn't intend to create or convince people (De Vinci) to create the shroud in order to proove Jesus's existance. What are you talking about exactly? Of course they couldn't proove it was a fake back then! That's exactly the point! They needed to lie to people intentionally by creating the shroud to convince people to join Christianity. A few people don't agree with me, and I'm asking why. They are saying the Church did not intend to use the shroud as proof of God's existance.
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Is lying from ignorance the same as knowingly telling a whopping great load of horse shit? i dont think so. but then, im no fan at all of religion or any church, so im surprised at myself right now for even sticking up for this one point, conceding this one thing for a church i believe is as corrupt and deceitful as...i wont continue. i wish not to offend anyone. there is no point to such slanderings.


but that was merely my point. i dont think the church can be held entirely accountable when they didnt really know they were in essence, lying.
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Perhaps you can find no Christian fanatics in the UK or Italy, but there are PLENTY of them here, in fact there's even a whole family (and a big one at that) just a couple of houses down from me. No liberalism, open-mindedness, or rationality there at all.

And a question....the whole thread offends you, or do just the first few posts by AussieU2fanman offend you? It was explained that the first post was poorly worded and the rhetoric was toned down in subsequent posts.
invite me at your place...and i may change my opinion
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Look at the creation movement and the christian zionists - there you find supreme ignorance.
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