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Old 03-04-2008, 01:03 PM   #61
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Gotcha. Although, I don't seem to recall hearing about Bush 1 being a fantastic or even that popular of a president.

he only lost because the economy was in a down turn

and the public was really concerned about all the deficit spending and balooning national debt.


aside from that he was very decent

Desert Storm was a huge success, we truly had a coalition, and it was well executed with international support

Bush 1's mantra was "a kinder, gentler America"

America's standing internationally was very good.


with that in mind. people voted for W

Everyone I asked said something very much like,
"I liked the old man, this is George Bush , Jr., he's got my vote."
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W was elected on the presumption that he would be like his Dad

GHW Bush 1 and if he were like his father we would not be living in this nightmare.
It's no secret that a lot of people are supporting Hillary because they long for the Clinton years. I personally believe Bill Clinton is one of our greatest presidents, but we live in a radically different world than we did 8 years ago. The Clinton years are not coming back no matter how badly many might want them to. Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton and she would not act in the exact same ways as her husband did just as Bush 2 did not act in the same fashion as his father. I'm getting a sense that a lot of people don't realize that if Hillary wins, she'll be the president and not Bill. So, if you're using that logic, it would be an argument against Hillary because she will not be the same type of president her husband was.
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The districts in Texas are gerrymandered?
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he only lost because the economy was in a down turn

and the public was really concerned about all the deficit spending and balooning national debt.


I disagree with Desert Storm at its core, but that's irrelevant. As for the economy I see that he and his son have their fiscal irresponsibility in common.
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I think the Electoral College should be abolished. It wasn't fair that Gore won the popular vote and lost the election in 2000.
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I disagree with Desert Storm at its core, but that's irrelevant.
really??

you believe that Saddam should have been allowed to keep Kuwait and possibly take part of Saudi Arabia?
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really??

you believe that Saddam should have been allowed to keep Kuwait and possibly take part of Saudi Arabia?
Absolutely not. I think we were too quick to rush into a military effort and should have pressed harder for more diplomatic efforts. The Bushes seem to be allergic to non-violent resolutions, though.
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I think the Electoral College should be abolished. It wasn't fair that Gore won the popular vote and lost the election in 2000.
regardless of it being Gore or whoever

they say that if Kerry got 150,000 more votes he would have won the electoral college but still lost the popular vote by something like 3%


the EC should be abolished because it is just pure shit (period)


Verte, why even vote for president n Alabama?

all of your states electoral votes will go to the GOP candidate.
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Senator Clinton wins Ohio, not by much. Doesn't win Texas, not by much. Supposedly Sen Obama is ahead in the polls in Vermont and RI
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When do polls close tonight (all states)?
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Vermont (15), 7 p.m. ET

Ohio (141), 7:30 p.m. ET

Rhode Island (21) 9 p.m. ET

Texas (193) 9 p.m. ET, but El Paso is in a different time zone, so closes an hour later. And, to make things extra complicated, the caucuses begin after the polls close.
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Gracias.

My prediction: Obama wins Texas, VT, and RI easily, Ohio is close but even if Hillary wins it won't be enough.

The Clinton campaign is finished after tonight, but she'll stay in all the way up to the DNC.
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De nada

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CNN predicts Obama and McCain win for Vermont.
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It'd be nice if the polls in Ohio were open a little longer - didn't they do that when another state had to contend with bad weather?
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