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Old 03-05-2008, 05:58 PM   #286
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He's stuck between a rock and a hard place. As badly as he wants to stay above the fray, if he doesn't try and chip away at her base this will definitely continue to the convention.

I think he's doing the right thing by going after her so called "experience".
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If McCain is smart, he'll run like hell from that. Considering the animosity that most of Bush's own party has for him, I wouldn't consider his seal of approval a good thing.
The majority of Republicans(above 70%) approve of the way Bush is doing his job according to the latest Gallup polls.
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a Clinton/Obama ticket would, indeed, crush a McCain ticket ... unless he finds an appropriate female running mate which, if he's smart, he'll do.

i'm opposed to another 4-8 years of the Clintons for very different reasons, but i do agree that this would be a very powerful ticket.
It might be the Democrats best option, but there is certainly nothing to indicate at the moment that a ticket like that would "crush" McCain. The latest Gallup has McCain beating both Hillary and Obama in one on one match ups.
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The majority of Republicans(above 70%) approve of the way Bush is doing his job according to the latest Gallup polls.
How does that work when he has a less than 30% approval rating throughout the entire country?
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The majority of Republicans(above 70%) approve of the way Bush is doing his job according to the latest Gallup polls.
What about independents? He needs their votes to win.
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How does that work when he has a less than 30% approval rating throughout the entire country?
Fuzzy math.
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by the old rules, you are right.

and if you want the old rules, if you want an election where only three states -- OH, FL, and PA -- matter, then vote for Hillary. she might be able to pull them off.

but there is new thinking out there, the kind of thinking that decided that Denver would be a good place for the Democratic Convention. there are some candidates who put most of the inter-mountain west into play, as well as the sunbelt states, and even Virginia.

you may be right that Jews and Latinos prefer Hillary to Obama, but i don't know that they would prefer McCain to Obama.

you are right about the elderly, though. there's enough residual racism amongst 60+ voters to argue against Obama.
Denver is in a battleground state that the Democrats are attempting to pick up. Minneapolis Minnesota is where the Republicans are having their convention for some of the same reasons. Its a Battleground State that went to the otherside last time that they think they can pick up.

Virginia has only voted for the Democratic candidate once since the 1940s and that was in 1964 when Johnson was up against Barry Goldwater. You could argue the margin of victory for the Republicans might be smaller than it was in 2004, but that won't help the Democrats at all in November.

As long as McCain does as well or a little better than Bush did with the Latino vote in 2000 and 2004, it will not be a factor for him.
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How does that work when he has a less than 30% approval rating throughout the entire country?
Actually he has a 34% approval rating. The country is roughly divided into 1/3 Republican, 1/3 Independent and 1/3 Democratic. So, not only does he have that level of approval among Republicans, but in order to get to 34%, he receives approval from some independents and even Democrats.
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What about independents? He needs their votes to win.
Well, Bush already won that match in 2000 and 2004. The Democrats last chance to beat the "evil" Bush was in 2004 and they lost.
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Actually he has a 34% approval rating. The country is roughly divided into 1/3 Republican, 1/3 Independent and 1/3 Democratic. So, not only does he have that level of approval among Republicans, but in order to get to 34%, he receives approval from some independents and even Democrats.
The math gets even fuzzier...
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Actually he has a 34% approval rating. The country is roughly divided into 1/3 Republican, 1/3 Independent and 1/3 Democratic. So, not only does he have that level of approval among Republicans, but in order to get to 34%, he receives approval from some independents and even Democrats.
That may be according to the polling of one website but go poll 1000 people at local supermarkets all across the country, and you'll likely get different results.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2384943.shtml

Granted, his overall approval is a couple points higher right now, it's still low and the average American is deeply dissatisfied with this administration. Go search for Bush approval ratings, and you'll clearly see that.
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what this thread needs is a prolonged discussion on Bush's approval rating, and how 30% (give or take a point in either direction) is really actually very good.

that's just what this thread needs.
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what this thread needs is a prolonged discussion on Bush's approval rating, and how 30% (give or take a point in either direction) is really actually very good.

that's just what this thread needs.
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That may be according to the polling of one website but go poll 1000 people at local supermarkets all across the country, and you'll likely get different results.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2384943.shtml

Granted, his overall approval is a couple points higher right now, it's still low and the average American is deeply dissatisfied with this administration. Go search for Bush approval ratings, and you'll clearly see that.
All I was doing was simply pointing out that a large majority of REPUBLICANS approve of the way Bush is doing his job. Thats a fact supported by most polling data.
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