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Old 03-05-2008, 01:38 PM   #256
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They are saying Ohio is a bell-weather state.

In recent times, no democratic candidate that loss the Ohio primary and went on the get the nomination became president. Lose Ohio = lose to the Republican in November.

check it out, for yourself.
I'm just saying, one can't automatically predict which way Ohio, or any state, will go just because it went that way in the past. Statements like the one Hillary made are exactly the kind of thinking that could do serious harm to the Democrats simply because it sends a message that if everything rests on Ohio, it's an exercise in futility to bother to vote if one lives somewhere else. That may not be the case, but the average voter could easily see it that way.
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People who say they want a Democrat win in November

and make emotional arguments for Obama are missing some very important facts.


Can you please point out who among us is making "emotional arguments" for Obama?
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Can you please point out who among us is making "emotional arguments" for Obama?
I think it doesn't matter if you, or anyone else, here point out that you've made an informed decision after learning about Obama's positions, he will always refer to you as the emotional, blind and biased voter(s).

At least one can get that impression.
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That may not be the case, but the average voter could easily see it that way.
This information really is not directed at the average voter

it is directed at future Democratic Primary voters.

We are in a campaign season.


As for hurting the eventual candidate down the road.

I do recall watching Obama on television awhile back.

He said, "I know Hillary voters will support me in the general election. My voters will not support her."

Of the two statements, which one do you believe is more damaging?
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Can you please point out who among us is making "emotional arguments" for Obama?
I could be wrong here,

but I believe I said you gave a good answer in the thread, "What makes Obama Attractive" many others gave what might be considered answers based on how he made them feel, etc.
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A group from my school will be going up to PA the weekend before the primary to campaign for Obama. Time to really roll up the sleeves and hit the pavement.
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This information really is not directed at the average voter

it is directed at future Democratic Primary voters.

We are in a campaign season.


As for hurting the eventual candidate down the road.

I do recall watching Obama on television awhile back.

He said, "I know Hillary voters will support me in the general election. My voters will not support her."

Of the two statements, which one do you believe is more damaging?
Obama's statement would be more damaging, I suppose. I'm surprised such a statement wouldn't garner more media attention, though. That statement is an error on Obama's part. However, that doesn't compare to the way Hillary's run her entire campaign. I think I've said before that I've always been a huge admirer of Hillary Clinton. I think she's brilliant, strong, and capable. If you had asked me this time last year about my choice for president, it would've been her, hands down. I am shocked and disheartened by the way she's run her campaign. Irvine put it better in his 3rd post on this page http://forum.interference.com/showth...&pagenumber=17 I stated underneath it that he summed up my feelings on the Clinton campaign, so I'm not going to rehash my thoughts here. I will say, however, that while the Obama statement you posted was a mistake and wrong, it does not add up to the arrogance and entitlement that hangs over the Clinton campaign like a bad stench.
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They are saying Ohio is a bell-weather state.

In recent times, no democratic candidate that loss the Ohio primary and went on the get the nomination became president. Lose Ohio = lose to the Republican in November.

check it out, for yourself.
The saying for decades way back when was "As Maine goes, so goes the nation."

Then came along Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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They are saying Ohio is a bell-weather state.

In recent times, no democratic candidate that loss the Ohio primary and went on the get the nomination became president. Lose Ohio = lose to the Republican in November.

check it out, for yourself.


by the old rules, you are right.

and if you want the old rules, if you want an election where only three states -- OH, FL, and PA -- matter, then vote for Hillary. she might be able to pull them off.

but there is new thinking out there, the kind of thinking that decided that Denver would be a good place for the Democratic Convention. there are some candidates who put most of the inter-mountain west into play, as well as the sunbelt states, and even Virginia.

you may be right that Jews and Latinos prefer Hillary to Obama, but i don't know that they would prefer McCain to Obama.

you are right about the elderly, though. there's enough residual racism amongst 60+ voters to argue against Obama.
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you are right about the elderly, though. there's enough residual racism amongst 60+ voters to argue against Obama.
Jack Nicholson and my grandparents, FTW.
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Jack Nicholson and my grandparents, FTW.


i thought it was interesting the specific characters Nicholson chose to use in that ad.

what did all of those characters have in common? they were mysogynistic assholes.
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I'm surprised such a statement wouldn't garner more media attention, though.
I remembered hearing Obama say, that, too and looked it up. The exact quote according to one source was:

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...01/629273.aspx

I think he's right but it was a divisive comment.
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I remembered hearing Obama say, that, too and looked it up. The exact quote according to one source was:

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...01/629273.aspx

I think he's right but it was a divisive comment.
I agree. It was a divisive comment, and I'm disappointed he said it. Which is worse, though, a divisive comment or a divisive campaign?
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I agree. It was a divisive comment, and I'm disappointed he said it. Which is worse, though, a divisive comment or a divisive campaign?
No argument there.
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I agree. It was a divisive comment, and I'm disappointed he said it. Which is worse, though, a divisive comment or a divisive campaign?


or how about a line like this:

[q]Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience, I have a lifetime of experience, Sen. Obama has one speech in 2002"[/q]
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