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Old 03-04-2008, 10:26 PM   #136
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haha sorry i couldnt think of anything good to say back.
Well, that wasn't bad. It does hit where it hurts.
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Was Obama on the ballot in those states, deep?

Did Obama campaign in those states, deep?
Florida - yes !


Florida - yes !

he ran a T V ad in Florida that was against the rules

so when the people of Florida (perhaps the most important swing state) voted
Obama was not at any disadvantage.
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Was Obama on the ballot in those states, deep?

Did Obama campaign in those states, deep?
Exactly. As much as I desperately hope Obama is the Democratic nominee, if the situation was reversed and he had been on the ballot here and in Florida, I would still say the votes should not not count. Regardless of who the candidate in question is, it's not fair to them or to the voters
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Erm, you guys do realize that all the candidates WERE on the ballot in Florida, right?
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if people could set aside their Obama bias

they would have to accept that the voters in both Mich and Florida chose Hillary


just like the voters in South Carolina and Vermont chose Obama
Your obsession with pointing out this "bias" is quite unflattering.
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Was Obama on the ballot in those states, deep?

Did Obama campaign in those states, deep?
He was on the ballot in Florida picking up only 33% of the vote.
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Erm, you guys do realize that all the candidates WERE on the ballot in Florida, right?
I knew they all weren't in Michigan, I wasn't sure about Florida. I just knew that the votes of both states weren't going to count for the nomination.
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Exactly. As much as I desperately hope Obama is the Democratic nominee, if the situation was reversed and he had been on the ballot here and in Florida, I would still say the votes should not not count. Regardless of who the candidate in question is, it's not fair to them or to the voters
Florida

and
Mich

are very different

there is a reasonable case for a do over in Mich


there is also a case to be made for seating the Florida delegation as they
both were on the ballot

and both did not campaign
(except Obama ran one ad, that his people claim was a national buy. they did stop it in Florida, after one day)
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Well, that wasn't bad. It does hit where it hurts.

thought so.
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One national TV ad that happened to cross the Florida TV space doesn't count as campaigning.

So, Obama was on the ballot in Florida, not in Michigan, and campaigned in neither.

In both cases, completely different story if Obama and Clinton campaigned.
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Your obsession with pointing out this "bias" is quite unflattering.
what would you call it when his supporters

are saying he only lost in Florida because he was not on the ballot


when he was?

and even ran an ad?
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Clinton didn't campaign there either, though.

I have to agree with deep that Clinton might actually be stronger in the three traditional battleground states that usually decide elections - Florida, Ohio, and PA. However, others have a point that Obama might be able to break through in states traditionally won by Republicans. The question is, which states would those be, and how many electoral votes would they have compared to OH, FL, and PA?
I don't see Obama winning any non-battleground states, but he had the lead in the following RED battleground states:

Nevada
New Mexico
Colorado
Missouri
Iowa

He does have a 3 point lead in Ohio in the latest poll, but has been behind in most of the polls before that and does not do nearly as well as Hillary does.

The problem is that winning those 5 states won't matter if the Republicans hold Ohio, Florida, and pick up Pennsylvania.

If either side were to pick up traditional Blue or Red states the election would turn into a classic landslide.
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But what if the Republicans don't pick up PA? Then what, strongbow?
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In both cases, completely different story if Obama and Clinton campaigned.
like CA and NY where they both campaigned?
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CA and NY are going Dem no matter who the nominee is. What's your point?
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