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Old 09-02-2008, 11:30 PM   #961
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my guess is that Palin is going to step down before the end of the week.
right now

I'd give odds

5-1

she will not
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I'm pretty sure that MadelynIris feels the experience of fighting in a war is beneficial in addition to other experience (in John McCain's case, 25 years being a member of the US Congress), not that military experience alone makes a candidate qualified to be president.

McCain IS qualified to be president -- I seriously question the intellectual capabilities of anyone who says he isn't. Personally I don't like McCain's stances on many issues, nor do I like the Republican Party's platform, so I won't be voting for him, but I won't deny he is qualified to be president.
I never said he wasn't "qualified" to be president either. I, as you, simply disagree completely with his stances on the issues and policy goals. However, serving in a war is not a qualification for president, at all. We've had excellent presidents who served in the military, and excellent ones who did not. We've had terrible presidents who served in the military and terrible ones who did not. It's one's ability to govern and understand and implement policy for every issue facing our country that means one is qualified to president.
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don't look now, but it appears that Palin has her own Rev. Wright.
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right now

I'd give odds

5-1

she will not


the Rep's are trying to make Obama's running mate the New York Times.

maybe they think this will work.
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. We've had excellent presidents who served in the military, and excellent ones who did not. We've had terrible presidents who served in the military and terrible ones who did not.
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Your information previously posted on FDR is a little misleading.

He attempted to join the Navy during the Spanish American War but was unable as he contracted measles. He served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913 and through World War I; when the U.S. entered the war in 1917 he offered his resignation so that he could apply for a commission in the Navy, but was refused by the President.
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Your information previously posted on FDR is a little misleading.

He attempted to join the Navy during the Spanish American War but was unable as he contracted measles. He served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913 and through World War I; when the U.S. entered the war in 1917 he offered his resignation so that he could apply for a commission in the Navy, but was refused by the President.
I was aware of that.He didn't serve in the military, though, and I believe that's what MadelynIris was referring to.
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Now that "Life Happens" is the mantra of the Republican Party, I would LOVE to see a thread of quotes/statements over the past eight years that refute the whole "Life Happens" statement.
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Now that "Life Happens" is the mantra of the Republican Party, I would LOVE to see a thread of quotes/statements over the past eight years that refute the whole "Life Happens" statement.
It's their version of "Shit Happens", which of course is their way of trying to shirk responsibility for the disasters of the past 8 years.
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I never said he wasn't "qualified" to be president either. I, as you, simply disagree completely with his stances on the issues and policy goals. However, serving in a war is not a qualification for president, at all. We've had excellent presidents who served in the military, and excellent ones who did not. We've had terrible presidents who served in the military and terrible ones who did not. It's one's ability to govern and understand and implement policy for every issue facing our country that means one is qualified to president.
Every experience makes a person who they are. How you know John McCain's war service didn't shape him in ways that make him more qualified to be President than he would have been without it? But you seem to be pushing the idea that it never helps make someone more qualified, and I feel that, for the right person, it can. Not every community activist is qualified to be President either, but that is being touted by Obama and his supporters as part of his qualifications.

I think you need to stop looking at this in such black and white terms. We ALL know not everyone who serves in a war is qualified to be President, but we aren't discussing everyone, we are discussing McCain, and it is very possible that his service has made him more able to do the job than he would be if he had never served.
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Every experience makes a person who they are. How you know John McCain's war service didn't shape him in ways that make him more qualified to be President than he would have been without it? But you seem to be pushing the idea that it never helps make someone more qualified, and I feel that, for the right person, it can. Not every community activist is qualified to be President either, but that is being touted by Obama and his supporters as part of his qualifications.

I think you need to stop looking at this in such black and white terms. We ALL know not everyone who serves in a war is qualified to be President, but we aren't discussing everyone, we are discussing McCain, and it is very possible that his service has made him more able to do the job than he would be if he had never served.
I don't feel it does. I'm sure being a POW shaped part of who he is. That doesn't mean it should be an explanation of why he should be president. One has nothing to do with the other. And for the record, I don't feel Obama's experience as a community organizer makes him qualified to be president either.
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don't look now, but it appears that Palin has her own Rev. Wright.
"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."

oh golly.
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I was aware of that.He didn't serve in the military, though, and I believe that's what MadelynIris was referring to.
Do you think if Obama served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for 6 years,

anyone would question if he was ready to be Commander and Chief ???
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Sorry pal, it's obviously you that haven't been reading properly. What's going to tear the Dems apart is this constant nagging and bickering about Palin and her daughters prenancy - this is hypocritical in exactly the same way if the page was turned and it was Obama's daughter the Republican's would have a field day with it - having said that, what I'm getting from watching many Democrats bickering on news talk shows is that the majority of folks watching are going to be turned off the Democrats because of this. They are going to side with the underdog (Palin) and fight the bullly (The Democrats)...maybe McCain is smarter than everyone thinks and knew this is exactly what would happen. Or maybe not. But I'm really beginning to wonder from the majority of reactions from the "left" on such a non-issue as some teen girl getting knocked up. Let it go already. Before it bites you where it hurts.
I gotta agree with you Harry. It is despicable. Now not only are Democrats damned near incompetent, they are also vicious jerks. Oh joy.

(the whole Palin mess is still your fault though. )
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Do you think if Obama served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for 6 years,

anyone would question if he was ready to be Commander and Chief ???
Obama didn't serve as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for 6 years, so I'm not sure why it matters. And yes, I'm sure there would be plenty of people questioning if he was ready to be president. The argument then would probably be, "sure, he might have some national security experience, but what does he know about the economy...etc?"
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Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview

god's will be done... to get a pipeline built? interesting choice of words i have to say.

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