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Old 09-02-2008, 01:25 AM   #856
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Heckuva job, John.
Wow. In the much talked about questionable judgment category, this one trumps them all.

Although some could consider it a maverick move to pick someone you haven't even thoroughly checked out yet. Though going against your preferred choice to pick someone who will placate your base? Not so maverick.
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I imagine McCain will be down by 10 points within a week.
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Old 09-02-2008, 03:06 AM   #858
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Coming out on the offensive after a day of controversy, presumptive GOP vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin said today that the media was to blame for making her daughter Bristol pregnant.

"My husband and I are well aware that Bristol is pregnant, and we know who made her that way -- the media," she told reporters in Pittsburgh.

It has become common in presidential campaigns for candidates to lash out against the news media, but Gov. Palin's attack was the first known example of a politician blaming the media for her daughter's pregnancy.

Gov. Palin went on to say that since the media had made her pregnant, it was now up to the media to "do the right thing and marry her."

Moments after the governor's statement, the National Enquirer said that it would marry Bristol Palin in exchange for exclusive rights to the wedding photos and the first pictures of the baby.


All the real issues surrounding this VP pick and this is what the media wants to focus on. This has NO place in presidential politics.

Oh, it gets more tragic. Look at this little excerpt about the myspace page of Bristol Palin's baby's father:

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On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

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"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."
Takes pride in being a redneck and states that he DOESN'T WANT kids.
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And this group is pro-birth control? And yet Palin is anti-sex education, pro-abstinence training in schools?
They pointedly avoid taking any position on contraception; their FAQs state that "(p)reconception issues including abstinence and contraception are outside of our mission. Some FFL members and supporters support the use of non-abortifacient contraception while others oppose contraception for a variety of reasons".

As far as I can tell, all current references to Palin as pro-contraception derive from the same 2006 Anchorage Daily News article comparing the then-gubernatorial candidates' stances on various issues, which said:
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I'd trust the article more if it offered a direct quote, however, I've heard nothing about her contradicting it, so I assume its characterizations are fully accurate.

As for current references to her supporting abstinence-only, those all seem to derive from a 2006 Eagle Forum questionnaire sent to all the gubernatorial candidates (only two of them responded; Wikipedia has an entry on Eagle Forum if you're unfamiliar), in which she offered a somewhat ambiguously worded answer to a rather poorly worded question:
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Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

(Palin): Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.
Alaska is one of numerous states which have no laws specifying what sex ed must consist of or even whether schools need offer it, which means it's up to individual school districts in Alaska to design their curriculums (or not). Looking at the SIECUS data for Alaska, the amount of Title V money (federal abstinence-only funding) used last year by their schools was puny--$88,501 distributed to six schools. While that doesn't tell you one way or the other what's happening at other schools, it seems unlikely that a state receiving so little school-based Title V money would be a hotbed (haha) of abstinence-only education. I know that Palin's campaign mantra on education (in general, not just sex ed) when running for governor was "Parents know best, not the state," so perhaps in practice and with regards to sex ed, this tends to take the form of 'Just Leave It Be'. I don't really know.

It's too bad we don't have anyone around here (that I can think of, anyway) from Alaska--I was just thinking the other day that I've never even met anyone from Alaska, nor known anyone who's lived there. Sometimes an insider's perspective, partisanship notwithstanding, can be invaluable in making sense of some political phenomenon or person in the context of the political subculture that produced them. Especially when it's as remote a place as Alaska.
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I just feel sorry for the kid (Bristol). This whole thing has to suck big time for her.
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Thanks for the clarification, Yolland.

In case you're interested, the blog I've been reading for the past few days is written by an Alaskan. I haven't had much of a chance to nose around the site other than that one comment thread, but according to some of the posters, it's offers good insight into the world of Alaskan politics.

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Old 09-02-2008, 06:27 AM   #862
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I'm sure Rush Limbaugh will soon speak up, he wouldn't want us to think he's a hypocrite!
Don't hold your breath...

His followers would be too embarassed to call him out on it, and his screener won't allow any dissenting thought...
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That article you posted is fascinating, anitram.

It only re-affirms the belief of many that McCain has and will continue to sell out every principle he ever had in his bid to become president. It is pretty clear he had decided on Lieberman (who, btw, should just become a republican and get it over with already) a while ago, and caved to the evangelical right wing at the last second, picking Palin. He ended up sacrificing picking the person that HE thought was the best guy for the job in order to pick someone he KNOWS is far less qualified, to pander to the right wing.


It really is funny. McCain has built his whole image on being this guy who sticks to his guns & has a "maverick," higher principle----and yet he has been personally tearing that image down piece by piece over the last 4 years.

He's got to be royally pissed right now. I wonder if he'll drop her and end up going with Lieberman or Ridge. Of course, if he does drop her, it will be an obvious sign that he's caving for political reasons, and it may even look cruel. Of course, she could say she's dropping out to take care of her family, but that wouldn't be taken seriously after the excitement she's shown so far for the job.

Now that I think about it, I think he's really stuck with her.
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Takes pride in being a redneck and states that he DOESN'T WANT kids.
Nothing he said really surprises me - he's a 17 year-old-guy, I'm sure he's not the only one with these views.

That said, I can't figure out how any thinking person could conclude that the best thing to do is to have this boy committed to marriage. He's sure mature enough for it!

And John McCain's judgment is pathetic with respect to Palin.
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I find it funny how anytime a story like this breaks one of the first thing reporters do is look up their myspace page(remember the marine who threw the puppy).

Lesson 1: Kids always think about what you write on your MySpace/Facebook pages.
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his screener won't allow any dissenting thought...
Clearly you don't listen to his show...
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Clearly you don't listen to his show...
Well, since you do - is Sarah Palin responsible for her daughter getting knocked up? Is Mrs. Spears?
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ETA - I just checked the "feminist" group. It's all pro-life propaganda. Figures.

So is Sarah a maverick, independent thinkng woman or just status quo?

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Well, since you do - is Sarah Palin responsible for her daughter getting knocked up? Is Mrs. Spears?
I'm just about to head to my 8:00 class, so I'll respond later, but in a word, no.
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Clearly you don't listen to his show...
I do. And you are right, he does allow dissenting thought from time to time but he makes sure it's only from those that can't form a complete thought. He chooses those he can easily refute, or those that make the left look bad. Believe me it's very calculated.
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