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Old 09-01-2008, 11:35 PM   #841
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a little bit of a leap

this may be true

or

may not be true


we have one talking head

that said

'There are reports, that there are GOP Attorneys up there."
Well, add the New York Times to the list of the one talking head.

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Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin.
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At the least, Republicans close to the campaign said it was increasingly apparent that Ms. Palin had been selected as Mr. McCain’s running mate with more haste than McCain advisers initially described.

Up until midweek last week, some 48 to 72 hours before Mr. McCain introduced Ms. Palin at a Friday rally in Dayton, Ohio, Mr. McCain was still holding out the hope that he could choose a good friend, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, a Republican close to the campaign said. Mr. McCain had also been interested in another favorite, former Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania.

But both men favor abortion rights, anathema to the Christian conservatives who make up a crucial base of the Republican Party. As word leaked out that Mr. McCain was seriously considering the men, the campaign was bombarded by outrage from influential conservatives who predicted an explosive floor fight at the convention and vowed rejection of Mr. Ridge or Mr. Lieberman by the delegates.

Perhaps more important, several Republicans said, Mr. McCain was getting advice that if he did not do something to shake up the race, his campaign would be stuck on a potentially losing trajectory.

With time running out — and as Mr. McCain discarded two safer choices, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, as too predictable — he turned to Ms. Palin. He had his first face-to-face interview with her on Thursday and offered her the job moments later. Advisers to Mr. Pawlenty and another of the finalists on Mr. McCain’s list described an intensive vetting process for those candidates that lasted one to two months.

“They didn’t seriously consider her until four or five days from the time she was picked, before she was asked, maybe the Thursday or Friday before,” said a Republican close to the campaign. “This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn’t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.”

In the final stages, two Republicans familiar with the process said, Mr. McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, emerged as a key advocate for Ms. Palin.

Mr. McCain’s advisers said repeatedly on Monday that Ms. Palin was “thoroughly vetted,” a process that would have included a review of all financial and legal records as well as a criminal background check. A McCain aide said that the campaign was well aware of the ethics investigation and that it had looked into it.

“It was obviously something that anybody Googling Sarah Palin knew was in the news and there was a very thorough vetting done on that and also on the daughter,” the aide said.

People familiar with the process said Ms. Palin had responded to a standard form with more than 70 questions. Although The Washington Post quoted advisers to Mr. McCain on Sunday as saying Ms. Palin had been subjected to an F.B.I. background check, an F.B.I. official said Monday the bureau did not vet potential candidates and had not known of her selection until it was made public.

Mark Salter, Mr. McCain’s closest adviser, said in an e-mail message that Ms. Palin had been interviewed by Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., a veteran Washington lawyer in charge of the vice-presidential vetting process for Mr. McCain, as well as by other lawyers who worked for Mr. Culvahouse. Mr. Salter did not respond to an e-mail message asking if Ms. Palin had told Mr. Culvahouse and his lawyers that her daughter was pregnant.

In Alaska, several state leaders and local officials said they knew of no efforts by the McCain campaign to find out more information about Ms. Palin before the announcement of her selection, Although campaigns are typically discreet when they make inquiries into potential running mates, officials in Alaska said Monday they thought it was peculiar that no one in the state had the slightest hint that Ms. Palin might be under consideration.

“They didn’t speak to anyone in the Legislature, they didn’t speak to anyone in the business community,”
said Lyda Green, the State Senate president, who lives in Wasilla, where Ms. Palin served as mayor.

Representative Gail Phillips, a Republican and former speaker of the State House, said the widespread surprise in Alaska when Ms. Palin was named to the ticket made her wonder how intensively the McCain campaign had vetted her.

“I started calling around and asking, and I have not been able to find one person that was called,” Ms. Phillips said. “I called 30 to 40 people, political leaders, business leaders, community leaders. Not one of them had heard. Alaska is a very small community, we know people all over, but I haven’t found anybody who was asked anything.”

The current mayor of Wasilla, Dianne M. Keller, said she had not heard of any efforts to look into Ms. Palin’s background. And Randy Ruedrich, the state Republican Party chairman, said he knew nothing of any vetting that had been conducted.
Heckuva job, John.
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And since last week....

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Obama's lead among women has also grown to 14 points (50 percent to 36 percent), and the Democrat maintained the lead he had before the convention among voters who supported Senator Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries.
But, but, I thought we vaginas all voted for each other!!!

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Heckuva job, John.
why are you a sexist???
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But, but, I thought we vaginas all voted for each other!!!

Remember, it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind.





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But, but, I thought we vaginas all voted for each other!!!
Um.. who has been saying this?

And if you want to talk about poll numbers, Gallup has Obama up by 6 (which is down from earlier), Rasmussen has him up by 3, CNN has him up by only one, and Zogby has McCain up by 2, all of this post-convention.
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This is really beginning to stink like Harriet Miers.
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Heckuva job, John.

You have to question the judgment of any candidate that does not go thru the vetting process to nominate his/her VP. Doesn't matter if the "right" think she's qualified or not. If Palin wasn't vetted, why should she even be considered for the second in command of the United States of America.

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I'm watching Larry King (ick, I know), and Palin is the topic. I almost feel sorry for the two Republican guests, the way they're following the party line and playacting that everything is okay, that Palin is still all they could have hoped for in a VP pick. Poor Republicans. [/sarcasm] Spin, spin, spin...

Regarding the reports that more GOPs have gone to AK to vet Palin in the past day or two, someone reported the same thing on the blog comments I was reading last night, that several of them had arrived and checked into area hotels. I can't remember for sure if it was the same person that told the story of Bristol's pregnancy, but I think it could have been. It's fascinating reading this stuff, then having it confirmed by mainstream media within a day or two.
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I'm sure Rush Limbaugh will soon speak up, he wouldn't want us to think he's a hypocrite!

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CALLER: Would you tend to think that a family in this position, though, wouldn't you think that there would be a more watchful eye as a parent to be watching over these kids so this doesn't happen to them?

RUSH: I would certainly hope so, but it's long past time for this to happen. The parents here are the culprits!
When you get on a high horse, Rush, it's a long way down, you jackass.
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The fact is, regardless of what you will hear over the next few days, Bristol's pregnancy is not a legitimate political issue. Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.

You can argue that it was hamhanded of the McCain campaign—they had to have known, right?—to somehow let this drop just a few days after the announcement. Pregnancy does show, and it does have a ticking clock. The story was going to come out eventually.

As for the idea — sure to be floated—that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn't bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn't be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that's what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.

In Wasilla, Pregnancy Was No Secret - TIME
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Women and PUMAs will have a choice this election,

they can vote for a ticket that includes a:

Feminist. ( Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life )

or a ticket that many believe sexism kept the most qualified and best candidate off the entire ticket.
I read this a few pages back, and have to address it.

So, she's a member of a feminist group? Not just a member, but a longtime member? And this group is pro-birth control? And yet Palin is anti-sex education, pro-abstinence training in schools?

Um, am I sensing a huge contradiction, here?

What a load of crap.


ETA - I just checked the "feminist" group. It's all pro-life propaganda. Figures.
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That article you posted is fascinating, anitram.

It only re-affirms the belief of many that McCain has and will continue to sell out every principle he ever had in his bid to become president. It is pretty clear he had decided on Lieberman(who, btw, should just become a republican and get it over with already) a while ago, and caved to the evangelical right wing at the last second, picking Palin. He ended up sacrificing picking the person that HE thought was the best guy for the job in order to pick someone he KNOWS is far less qualified, to pander to the right wing.
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