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Old 08-31-2008, 07:35 PM   #631
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There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
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I know, and one of his head guys just said they had to keep the facade up to prevent Iran and the Shia from launching another invasion.
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Wrong.


which part?

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yes,

but I did not have clearance to see the evidence

I have quite a bit of faith in Colin Powell
and I believe he would not gone along if they had given him what he believed to credible evidence.

that is why, he walked away from Bush/Cheney and said that day at the U N was the worst day of his life.
Colin Powell still supports the invasion and removal of Saddam to this day, because the justification never ever rested on finding WMD A, inside of building F.
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but I did not have clearance to see the evidence
On what basis were you opposed to it, then? Or are you saying that your opposition was misguided?

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and I believe he would not gone along if they had given him what he believed to credible evidence.
Why weren't you convinced of the need for the war after his UN speech?
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There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
There was indeed evidence from Blitter that Saddam had complied with the vast majority of the requirements.
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yes,

I know, and one of his head guys just said they had to keep the facade up to prevent Iran and the Shia from launching another invasion.
Failing to account for over 1,000 liters of anthrax, 500 pounds of nerve gas, 500 pounds of mustard gas, thousands of artillery shells, and maintaining programs related to the production of WMD that Iraq was not supposed to have, was not a facade.
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It must be so tough, sting, to hold back.

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How do you contain yourself?
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Did Saddam try to have GHB assasinated?

What's the policy when an attempted assination is made on the head of state in our country?

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Great argument. Too bad W didn't invade Iraq in 1993 when the assassination attempt actually took place.
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Great argument. Too bad W didn't invade Iraq in 1993 when the assassination attempt actually took place.
Wait a sec, diamond is onto something. I mean, quite obviously the policy for an attempted assassination is to hold a grudge against that country and invade it some 12 years later. In that context the Iraq War is perfectly justifiable.

I know I have no qualms about it now that I see it in this light.
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When I joined the forum, in 2005, you were against the Iraq war, correct?

How many times have you changed your mind?

Will you change it again?

To quote Thatcher, 'The lady's not for turning'.

I respect Obama's consistency on the Iraq war issue. I respect politicians who are consistent.
I don't deny I was against

and I never would


but, us a**holes on the internet, don't always get things right

and sometimes we get it right
for the wrong reasons.



my agile, non-reptilian brain allows me to refine my opinions with new and better information


now, W is a different story


i'll see your Thacher

and raise you one Byrds tune ( I have no idea who wrote the lyrics )


To everything (turn, turn, turn)
There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
And a time for every purpose, under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
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To everything (turn, turn, turn)
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There was indeed evidence from Blitter that Saddam had complied with the vast majority of the requirements.
Its Butler. No one in the Security Council saw anything to make them think that Saddam had complied with a single UN security council resolution as of March 2003. Butler never provided any evidence that proved what Saddam had done with thousands of stocks of WMD that were missing. In addition, programs totally Unknown to UN inspectors or the United States related to the production of WMD were found after Saddam's removal.

Plus, its not just Saddam's actual capabilities at the time of the invasion, but a pattern of behavior over several years combined with other factors that made the invasion a necessity.
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Great argument. Too bad W didn't invade Iraq in 1993 when the assassination attempt actually took place.
Bill Clinton was President at that time.
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Its Butler. No one in the Security Council saw anything to make them think that Saddam had complied with a single UN security council resolution as of March 2003. Butler never provided any evidence that proved what Saddam had done with thousands of stocks of WMD that were missing. In addition, programs totally Unknown to UN inspectors or the United States related to the production of WMD were found after Saddam's removal.

Plus, its not just Saddam's actual capabilities at the time of the invasion, but a pattern of behavior over several years combined with other factors that made the invasion a necessity.
Ooops, I meant to say Hans Blix. I was thinking of Hans Blix and Scott Ritter, and somehow managed to conflate the two names to produce 'Blitter'.
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Wait a sec, diamond is onto something. I mean, quite obviously the policy for an attempted assassination is to hold a grudge against that country and invade it some 12 years later. In that context the Iraq War is perfectly justifiable.

I know I have no qualms about it now that I see it in this light.

I know. It's nice to know that Dubya's need for Daddy's approval is a basis for invading a sovereign nation. Freud would argue that Bush is simply seeking the acceptance he didn't get in childhood. It's psychological, how can we possibly find fault?
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Bill Clinton was President at that time.
Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. I was being sarcastic in my response to diamond's post.
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