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Old 08-31-2008, 07:17 PM   #616
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Even Bill O'Reilly acknowledges that the decision to invade Iraq was based on a mistaken premise.
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Obama was right in 2003. No serious observer disputes this.
He was not right at all.

The Senators that saw the "evidence" voted 77 -23, I think.

If a jury brings in a verdict, based on the evidence. They are right.

If it is later found out the "evidence" was wrong.

Then you can say, the Defense was right, the defendant was not guilty afer all.
But, the conclusion was not wrong.


Obama was completely wrong on the surge and he did not bother to do any due diligence than you or I.
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He was not right at all.

The Senators that saw the "evidence" voted 77 -23, I think.

If a jury brings in a verdict, based on the evidence. They are right.

If it is later found out the "evidence" was wrong.

Then you can say, the Defense was right, the defendant was not guilty afer all.
But, the conclusion was not wrong.


Obama was completely wrong on the surge and he did not bother to do any due diligence than you or I.
Your dislike of Obama is blinding your judgement. You have repeatedly criticized the Iraq war and the Bush administration. Obama was one of the ones wise enough to exercise the correct political judgment in 2003, at a time when it was, the say the least, unpopular for any politician to be perceived as 'going soft' on terror. For that, he should be congratulated.
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Even Bill O'Reilly acknowledges that the decision to invade Iraq was based on a mistaken premise.
I would not call it a mistake


I would call it bad evidence.



Obama never said the the photos of " chemical labs in Iraq" that Colin Powell presented at the U N were fakes.

and that is why he would not support the War.

He, like all of us believed they were legit.

and he did not want Saddam stopped?
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Your dislike of Obama is blinding your judgement. You have repeatedly criticized the Iraq war and the Bush administration. Obama was one of the ones wise enough to exercise the correct political judgment in 2003, at a time when it was, the say the least, unpopular for any politician to be perceived as 'going soft' on terror. For that, he should be congratulated.
I like Obama just fine

And I give him credit for things that are legit

I dislike Bush/Cheeney completely and don't believe they are even honest

especially Cheney
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I got to tip my at to Harry Vest in calling this way way back.

That said; Sarah rocks.

She has more backbone than Dan Qualyle and has better approval rating then Quayle ever had-so attempting to label her "Dan Quayle in a skirt" makes them look desperate and mean spirited.

And remember Quayle made it to the White House.

In the coming monthe soccer moms, hockey moms, conservative Dems and Indies will embrace her, a smidgeon of PUMAS-just enough to put Mac over the top.

Johnny Mac the Maverick has outsmarted everyone.

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I would not call it a mistake


I would call it bad evidence.



Obama never said the the photos of " labs" that Colin Powell presented at the U N were fakes.

and that is why he would not support the War.

He, like all of us believed they were legit.

and he did not want Saddam stopped?
When I joined the forum, in 2005, you were against the Iraq war, correct?

How many times have you changed your mind?

Will you change it again?

To quote Thatcher, 'The lady's not for turning'.

I respect Obama's consistency on the Iraq war issue. I respect politicians who are consistent.
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I would not call it a mistake


I would call it bad evidence.



Obama never said the the photos of " chemical labs in Iraq" that Colin Powell presented at the U N were fakes.

and that is why he would not support the War.

He, like all of us believed they were legit.

and he did not want Saddam stopped?
At the time, were you against going into Iraq?
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I got to tip my at to Harry Vest in calling this way way back.

That said; Sarah rocks.

She has more backbone than Dan Qualyle and has better approval rating then Quayle evr had.

In the coming monthe soccer moms, hockey moms, conservative Dems and Indies will embrace her- and a few PUMAS.

Johnny Mac the Maverick outsmatred everyone.

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Even Bill O'Reilly acknowledges that the decision to invade Iraq was based on a mistaken premise.
The fact that Saddam was in violation of multiple UN resolutions vital to the security of the region is not a mistake, nor is his past behavior, conventional miltiary capabilities, or the WMD related programs that were found after the invasion that were in total violation of the resolutions and were never shown to UN inspectors.

The other issue is the collapse the sanctions and embargo regime designed to contain Saddam. Even without all the other things, this alone would make the invasion necessary.
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He was not right at all.

The Senators that saw the "evidence" voted 77 -23, I think.

If a jury brings in a verdict, based on the evidence. They are right.

If it is later found out the "evidence" was wrong.

Then you can say, the Defense was right, the defendant was not guilty afer all.
But, the conclusion was not wrong.


Obama was completely wrong on the surge and he did not bother to do any due diligence than you or I.
There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
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At the time, were you against going into Iraq?

yes,

but I did not have clearance to see the evidence

I have quite a bit of faith in Colin Powell
and I believe he would not gone along if they had given him what he believed to credible evidence.

that is why, he walked away from Bush/Cheney and said that day at the U N was the worst day of his life.
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There was never any evidence that Saddam had complied with any of the requirements placed on him after his invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
Come now, Sting, don't be coy. You know you want to say it.
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I got to tip my at to Harry Vest in calling this way way back.

That said; Sarah rocks.

She has more backbone than Dan Qualyle and has better approval rating then Quayle ever had-so attempting to label her "Dan Quayle in a skirt" makes them look desperate and mean spirited.

And remember Quayle made it to the White House.

In the coming monthe soccer moms, hockey moms, conservative Dems and Indies will embrace her, a smidgeon of PUMAS-just enough to put Mac over the top.

Johnny Mac the Maverick has outsmarted everyone.

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Wrong.
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Did Saddam try to have GHB assasinated?

What's the policy when an attempted assination is made on the head of state in our country?

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