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Old 08-31-2008, 04:25 PM   #586
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i wonder how this is going to come into play with the future debates..
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Branchflower is looking into the events that led up to the firing of former public safety commissioner Walt Monegan. It is alleged that Monegan may have been fired for refusing to fire Alaska State Trooper Michael Wooten, who went through a messy divorce with Palin's sister and is currently in the midst of a custody battle.

I will go out on a limb here

and say not too much will come of this

again this is not a case of corruption for 'personal enrichment'

where she steered a multi-million dollar contract to a family member

like Joe Biden may have done with one of his children.
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Sarah Palin's mother-in-law uncertain about how she'll vote

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That second link is pathetic. She actually laughs as some stupid shock-jock insults one of her opponents, calling her a cancer, a bitch, fat, and implying she's a terrible mother. It strikes me as incredibly immature on her part, and also a plainly bad political move. Makes me question her judgment quite a bit.

One would hope that the 2nd in line for the most powerful position on the planet would have the maturity to denounce those kind of petty insults, let alone not laugh along with them.
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Haven't been on today & don't have time to read through if this has been posted already, but it'd be hilarious if true. Be sure to click on the links to see the pictures:

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Alaskan Governor's child may be her daughter's? - iReport.com

Alaskan Governor's child may be her daughter's?




Posted by: PaulTosone // 1 day ago // viewed 81,641 times
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The nation has been abuzz today with talk of Sarah Palin, John McCain's surprise vice-presidential pick. The internet and news media exploded in the hours following the announcement.

Along with all the stories making their way through the news cycle is one regarding Trig Palin, her youngest child. Apparently, there has been suspicion, some reported through Alaskan media outlets even before the Vice Presidential buzz, that the child actually belongs to her daughter, Bristol Palin. Normally this would be a personal issue, but this becomes a public matter because of Sarah Palin's stance against abortion and birth control, promoting 'abstinence only' beliefs.
The story seems ludicrious, and surely the GOP workers that vetted her would have stopped McCain from choosing her if anything like this were true. Only, now it has come out that Governor Sarah Palin was not vetted properly. The McCain camp states that they didn't feel it was necessary.
Even if it is entirely false and ludicrous, people are talking about it, and are quite interested in it. It has cropped up on a number of liberal and conservative blogs and sites. One Republican blog pre-empted the rumors, urging people to support Governor Palin "no matter what happens." It is absurd to believe Barack Obama is a Muslim, but that hasn't stopped 10% to 15% of America believing it is true. It remains to be seen if this story will sprout legs. So far, no media outlet has outright disproved the rumor (which should be very easy to do), though the Anchorage Daily News has reported the rumor.

The believers have a few scattered points:

1. Bristol Palin left school for an extended period of time, due to mononucleosis according to her family for the last 4-5 months of Trig's pregnancy. Some classmates claimed later that they had seen Bristol Palin pregnant.

2. Sarah Palin did not reveal to anyone outside her family that she was pregnant until 8 months into her pregnancy. Even then, she showed no signs of pregnancy. Alaskan news outlets commented on this, but did not go further. There are pictures of her at Super Tuesday (just a month before the baby was born).

Baby news strikes a chord: Politics | adn.com

She is notably a very trim woman, so it would likely be difficult to hide a pregnancy.

3. There are supposed photos showing Bristol Palin having gained weight, possibly significantly so in the abdomen. I haven't been able to verify these.
4. Sarah Palin went into labor in Dallas just before she was due to deliver a keynote address at the Republican Governors' Energy Conference, and flew to Seattle, then Alaska while still in labor.

newsminer.com • Palin says she felt safe flying to Alaska to have baby

Supposedly, she was in labor during the 8 hour flight, and the crew and attendants did not know.

(Quote from the Article Above):

""Governor Palin was extremely pleasant to flight attendants and her
stage of pregnancy was not apparent by observation as she didn't show
any signs of distress," Boren said."

This is extremely risky behavior, and you are advised by doctors, traditionally, not to fly once you are past 7 months pregnant. If airlines are made aware, sometimes they will prevent you from flying. Sarah Palin did not inform the flight.

5. Sarah has had four children before, and a prolonged labor that lasted a flight from Dallas to Alaska is extremely unlikely, as labor times usually decrease with the number of births.

6. There is also some rumor of an interview with a co-worker of Todd Palin at the oil fields in Prudhoe Bay (North Slope, where Todd Palin worked for BP), though I haven't been able to verify this. The co-worker claims Todd told him of the situation, supposedly.
7. Likewise, there were at the time a few classmates of Bristol's that claimed they had seen her pregnant.
8. Sarah Palin appeared 4 months before the baby's birth in Vogue magazine, and was "trim and lithe." (Searching for photos.)

Now, the counterpoints are that:

-Of course, this is all very far-fetched. Republicans would have vetted her and this would have never slipped past them

-She may not have been showing the pregnancy, despite her trim and slim frame, because of the low birthweight of infants with Downs Syndrome.

-Mothers at 44 (as Sarah Palin is), have an extremely high rate of Downs Syndrome in their children. However, this does not exclude Bristol Palin, as very young mothers also have an increased risk of Downs Syndrome in their children.

The attached photo is Sarah Palin at Super Tuesday (2-05-08), credit to Brian Wallace of the Juneau Empire.

I had another photo of Palin at the Dallas RGEC, but I cannot seem to locate it.

I was hoping someone at CNN could just clear this matter up. It might make interesting filler, to have a story on what the internet has been talking about!

Paul Tosone

Atlanta, GA

<UPDATE>

-A picture of Governor Palin at home with her family that was printed in the Anchorage Daily News, taken six weeks before Trig's birth on March 9th.

All abuzz about Palin: Alaska News | adn.com

-This is a picture from the Alaskan Governor's website. It is only dated "2007." Some say that Bristol here appears to have perhaps a baby bump.

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/PalinF...utside_v01.jpg

-An Alaskan PodShow Podcast called Hike of the Week. Sarah Palin appears here and takes a hike and tour with the host. She is seven and a half months pregnant.

Hike of the Week with Governor Sarah Palin

-The Alaskan Government website has removed links to some photographs of the Palin family. This probably has nothing to do with this story here, but I thought I should mention it, for posterity.

-Here is an article posted on DailyKos that compiles much of the same information I have here.
Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]
-Here is an excerpt from a Wallstreet Journal article, accounting her labor, according to her:


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Gov. Palin's opted to board a jet from Dallas in April
while about to deliver a child. Gov. Palin, who was eight months
pregnant, says she felt a few contractions shortly before she was to
give a keynote speech to an energy summit of governors in Dallas. But
she says she went ahead with it after her doctor in Alaska advised her
to put her feet up to rest. "I was not going to miss that speech," she
says.

She rushed so quickly from the podium afterwards that
Texas Gov. Rick Perry nervously asked if she was about to deliver the
baby then. She made it to the airport, and gave birth hours after
landing in Anchorage to Trig, who is diagnosed with Down Syndrome.
"Maybe they shouldn't have let me fly, but I wasn't showing much so
they didn't know," she says."
It's not on any of the major news sites yet, but if you google "Bristol Palin" & "pregnant," you get hundreds of articles.
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...interesting.
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Interestin g opinion in an e-mail I received today:

A woman voting for John McCain is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
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Reading through a few of those links makes for a pretty convincing case that this is true. Even without the photos there were too many odd choices made.

Although ultimately I don't know how much bearing this would or should have on the election. Lying about a personal matter (especially one as sensitive as a child's pregnancy when you're a staunchly conservative, anti-sex ed/abstinence only conservative) doesn't necessarily indicate how you conduct yourself in your professional life. Then again, lying about a personal matter has gotten some people impeached.
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Interestin g opinion in an e-mail I received today:

A woman voting for John McCain is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
Slightly related/unrelated - anyone watch the announcement and see how fidgety John McCain was when Palin was speaking?
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Haven't been on today & don't have time to read through if this has been posted already, but it'd be hilarious if true. Be sure to click on the links to see the pictures:



It's not on any of the major news sites yet, but if you google "Bristol Palin" & "pregnant," you get hundreds of articles.

a few hours back

when I heard that she flew from texas to alaska in labor

I googled and saw the a picture of family with the 17 year old holding the baby

and the wheels in my head started turning.


well, either it is her baby

or her grand child

I do think in the next fews days

the truth will get out.

as for that article

with all the hearsay

I have written better fiction than that

that has been picked up in blogs

and had a life on the internet



but if this girl was walking around pregnant

and the mom was not

and if there are doctors and health care workers that know the 17 yr old had the baby


this thing will blow wide open



so going with my predictions

I will say it is bullshit

and Palin is not a Grandma, yet.
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Was she at the Grassy Knoll too? Maybe it was one of the three hobos picked up on the rail car behind the knoll who fathered the baby too?
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I have no idea if it's true or not, but if it is, I think it's more tragic than funny that some people think this sort of cover up is still necessary in 2008.
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it's absurd for Republicans to charge Obama with inexperience when Palin is manifestly less experienced than Obama.

and for someone so obsessed with foreign policy, it's strange to have a VP who has no actual record of ever saying anything at all about foreign policy.

so as McCain has show us, experience doesn't matter at all. he's said, "you know all my years in Washington? you know all the foreign leaders i've met with? you know all the secret briefings i've attended? you see, folks, none of that matters. not even a bit. what matters is that you're authentic and spunky and you help me with the political math and enable me to win a news cycle and keep the pundits talking for days about how mistifying my pick was and at the same time, i've stroked the Know-Nothing creationist base of the Republican party who would have bitten my head off had i gone with people who actually are qualified, like Lieberman or Ridge. the only thing that matters in this race is personal story -- did i mention i was a POW? -- and being anti-choice. you know all my achievements that i've been talking about since 2006? they don't matter! i'm a POW, and Palin is a PTA mom. we're in it to win it!"

No one has anywhere near the experience that McCain has, and it actually would have been nearly impossible for McCain to pick a VP with the equal of 50 years of experience in National Security and Foreign Policy. Sarah Palin has spent her entire time in elected office outside of Washington and has experience that neither Biden, Obama, or McCain has and that has been a feature of every Presidential ticket that Americans have voted for over the past 40 years except in 1988.

Obama has slightly more experience than Palin, and its laughable to go after Palin over her experience when she is the VP candidate while Obama is the top of the Democratic ticket.

While I still would have prefered that McCain go with Ridge, there were risk there that could split the party. Its one of the reasons that Colin Powell decided not to run for the Repubican nomination in 1996.

Its interesting to note that no one in here criticized the possiblity of Sarah Palin as a candidate for VP in this way prior to McCain's selection of her friday.
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I am aware of the scandal


but not the facts.


there is a probe, and the results of that probe will be released in November.

i think we can all understand what she did on a human level.

but if we're going to wave her executive experience as some sort of trump card over Obama and Biden (but, yet, not McCain) as the increasingly desperate Republicans are doing,

then it's entirely appropriate to point out the fact that it's quite likely that she abused the executive power she was given

in order to exact revenge over a personal issue.
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Reading through a few of those links makes for a pretty convincing case that this is true. Even without the photos there were too many odd choices made.

Although ultimately I don't know how much bearing this would or should have on the election. Lying about a personal matter (especially one as sensitive as a child's pregnancy when you're a staunchly conservative, anti-sex ed/abstinence only conservative) doesn't necessarily indicate how you conduct yourself in your professional life. Then again, lying about a personal matter has gotten some people impeached.

before I thought it was 65-70 % bullshit

but, after reading through all that
and looking at the pictures and videos


I will say I am now 95+ % sure it is bullshit
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Obama's bounce appears to already be starting to slide. In today's Gallup poll he only leads by 6 points, down from the 8 points he had led by on Friday and Saturday. Obama only led by an average of 3 points through out the summer since winning the nomination, and its possible he could be down to 3 points before we see the first polling results from the Republican convention.

Gallup Daily: Obama-Biden Ticket Leads by 6 Points
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