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Old 08-29-2008, 05:58 PM   #211
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I'm from Seattle, I just don't see the demographics or the sense in the air that McCain could take it. The biggest problem first, being that no one knows who she is. It's going to be hard to build regional cross over support based on virtually no background.

I agree its unlikely for Washington or Oregon to change much, but I still want to see some fresh post convention Oregon polls.
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Female Hillary Clinton supporters, Blue Collar Democrats in Ohio and Western Pennsylvania who have much in common with Blue Collar Democrats in West Virginia who are already voting for McCain, Reagan Democrats, people who would prefer someone who is not inside the beltway of DC, and Independents who are impressed by surprise choices and the risk involved. Fits well with McCains's maverick image that has not been talked about lately.

This could potentially put Colorado back in the Republican catagory as the polls had already tightened up before the pick, plus I'd like to see some polls next week in Oregon which has only been won by the Democrats by less than 5 points in the past two elections.
Absolutely.

I'm not sure how much this will matter, but she is by far the most "normal person" of the four candidates- a Washington outsider from a small town, a very active mom involved with her kids and the community, pro-life, big on the second amendment, and went to the University of Idaho which I'm sure more people can relate to as opposed to Obama attending Harvard or Yale or wherever it was. And I heard that as governor, she abandoned the idea of taking private jets everywhere, and opted to fly commercial or drive as much as she could.
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Absolutely.

I'm not sure how much this will matter, but she is by far the most "normal person" of the four candidates- a Washington outsider from a small town, a very active mom involved with her kids and the community, pro-life, big on the second amendment, and went to the University of Idaho which I'm sure more people can relate to as opposed to Obama attending Harvard or Yale or wherever it was. And I heard that as governor, she abandoned the idea of taking private jets everywhere, and opted to fly commercial or drive as much as she could.


so we're not worried about experience and judgment and competence and the ability to take over if/when McCain keels over from cancer or old age?

we want a talk show host?
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Actually thinking about this more, I'm really confused- people are ascribing to Sarah Palin qualities one might expect from a Joe Lieberman selection. In that case, you could actually see by his pro-war and pro-choice record that he's in the mushy middle between Democrat and Republican and could appeal to conservative Democrats. But...I don't know, someone could explaln.
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I get the Woman part because she is a Woman and Hillary voters like Women, but I don't get the other parts. Maybe put a different way- how does Palin increase appeal to conservative Democrats in a way that McCain didn't already? I've read a bit that this was nailing down the conservative evangelical base, not an outreach to plunder Democratic votes- that was McCain The Maverick's gig.
You remember Obama's little qoute that got him in trouble with Democrats in Western Pennsylvania?
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After weighing the negatives and the positives, the McCain team obviously decided that they would gain more with Palin on the ticket than Ridge. There are some people who are supporting McCain who might have stayed home if he had picked a pro-choice running mate. But how many current McCain supporters are going to stay home or vote for Obama because of Palin's inexperience? So, she does less harm to McCains base of support attracts more Democrats and Independents across the country, even though if we were just looking at Pennsylvania, Ridge would be better.


hence, it was a 100% political pick and shows us that John McCain is only interested in winning and not in actually putting the interests of the country, and his true responsibility when it comes to picking a VP, first.

this has shown us that there is no "there" there for all of McCain's blustery talk about honor.
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so we're not worried about experience and judgment and competence
Of course we are. But you can't deny that this is what some people vote on, or at least are influenced by. You yourself have referrenced many times the people who voted for Bush because they'd like to have a beer with him.


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if/when McCain keels over from cancer or old age?
You seem a little anxious for this to happen...
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ATTENTION: ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS

You better hope that John McCain isn't smarter than you think and actually picks Sarah Palin as his choice for VP. It's looking like she'd be the perfect choice...here's why...

- A Woman ( she would no doubt bring thousands of Hillary supporters to McCains camp)
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How incredibly condescending and insulting to the millions of female Hillary supporters. As if all they wanted was a woman. But a typically sexist thought process for conservatives.
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You remember Obama's little qoute that got him in trouble with Democrats in Western Pennsylvania?
OK, but what positions does Palin have that take advantage of that? Or moreso then any advantage McCain would have had by Bitter?
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How incredibly condescending and insulting to the millions of female Hillary supporters. As if all they wanted was a woman. But a typically sexist thought process for conservatives.
They're out there, believe me. There are a ton of Hillary-turned-McCain supporters and blogs out there. I can't tell you the number of various posts or comments I've read on various sites from such women. Call it low if you want, but it's a smart move. Will it bring in most Hillary supports? Unlikely. But it has the potential to be extremely effective.
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How incredibly condescending and insulting to the millions of female Hillary supporters. As if all they wanted was a woman. But a typically sexist thought process for conservatives.
Although there are conservatives on this board making this argument, I don't think Harry is a conservative. I'm not sure what he is.
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so we're not worried about experience and judgment and competence and the ability to take over if/when McCain keels over from cancer or old age?

we want a talk show host?
I am concerned. But I'm confident she has far better judgement than Obama and Obama only has slightly more experience than she does.

I think the part of middle America that is looking for someone from outside of Washington will find they have more in common with her than they do with Obama.
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How can you be confident in her judgement when she barely even has any stances?
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Of course we are. But you can't deny that this is what some people vote on, or at least are influenced by. You yourself have referrenced many times the people who voted for Bush because they'd like to have a beer with him.

hence, this is why the pick undermines McCain's whole argument against Obama.




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You seem a little anxious for this to happen...

if you're insinuating that i actually want McCain to die, then fuck off.

someone who is 72 years old and has had skin cancer 4 times is a huge health risk. he would be lucky if he makes it to 80. that's not a wish, that's a fact.
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HOW MANY OF YOU WOMAN WOULD TURN YOUR BACK ON THE ISSUES IN ORDER TO JUST VOTE FOR ANOTHER WOMAN?

Because Sting, 2861U2, Harry Vest, and other men believe you will. Maybe I know nothing about women.
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