Official Campaign 2008 Hot Stove Thread

[MrsSpringsteen]

Wow, Rudy's wife is one nagging shrew. From what I have read she is quite calculating and aggressive, maybe she even has Rudy by the proverbial balls. That's not very manly of him, is it?

[deep]

out of the mouths of babes....

Kid Nation' Contestants No Fans of President Bush

By Rogers Cadenhead



After the children on the CBS reality TV series Kid Nation create their own government, it might not be an ally of the United States. Several of the contestants posted online profiles on the CBS web site that are highly critical of President Bush.
When asked to name some of the worst U.S. presidents in history, a 14-year-old Florida girl named Sophia gave this answer:

I think George W. Bush takes the cake. The planet is disintegrating, we're fighting an unnecessary war, millions are without health care, the school system has gone down the toilet, the country is billions of dollars in debt, the world seems to be headed on a path towards destruction, and America's hypocrisy is mocked by many nations. I think that merits recognition.

Asked the same question, 9-year-old Alex of Nevada wrote this:

George W. Bush, for leading us into a war without checking his facts first and for not having a clear plan prior to the invasion. He also suppressed anyone who wanted to question his decisions, which is against the American concept of free speech. William Harrison because he was too stupid to wear a coat at his inauguration speech, and caught pneumonia and died without doing anything in office.

And here's Anjay, 12, one of the president's fellow Texans:

The US president that comes to mind, due to recent events, is George W. Bush, because I don't agree with the way he is handling the Iraq war.

D.K., an Illinois 14-year-old, was critical of both Presidents Bush:

George Bush; for not truly caring what happened to his country while he was in presidency, George W. Bush; for trying to be an exact replica of his father and his poor decisions.

Bush does receive support from Emilie, a 9-year-old Nevadan, aside from one issue:

My parents voted for George Bush and I agree with their decision. Although I did not agree with Bush's decision to send my brother and other soldiers to war.

One of the kids, Alex, named Al Gore as a world leader he admires and said he read Gore's book An Inconvenient Truth. "I admire the fact that Al Gore has committed himself to champion this worthy cause," he writes.

These profiles were discovered by blogger Rafe Colburn. The premise of Kid Nation is that 40 children, ages 8 through 15, have been left in a desert ghost town to fend for themselves and create their own society.

[financeguy]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
And that was sarcasm based upon some of the ideas that have been expressed in FYM, lest anyone think differently.

What ideas?

[financeguy]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
How about you wake us up when you get a clue, stop using double standards and sexism, and actually adhere to the principals that you preach, this would be much easier for everyone here.

Diamond's point, I believe was to compare Hilary Clinton's achievements unfavorably to Margaret Thatcher's.

Can you explain why you consider this to be a double standard? Can you explain why you consider this to be sexist?

[verte76]

I never liked Margaret Thatcher. She was Ronald Reagan's lapdog, and I didn't like Reagan. No, Hillary isn't Thatcher. She's better.

[anitram]

There are quite a few people out there who still happen to believe that Margaret Thatcher essentially saved the British people from themselves. I'm surprised by how common this view seems to be.

[BVS]

Originally posted by financeguy


Diamond's point, I believe was to compare Hilary Clinton's achievements unfavorably to Margaret Thatcher's.

Can you explain why you consider this to be a double standard? Can you explain why you consider this to be sexist?

Diamond's post throughout this thread and throughout FYM reek of double standards and sexism. You don't have to search too far to find one.

[financeguy]

Originally posted by anitram
There are quite a few people out there who still happen to believe that Margaret Thatcher essentially saved the British people from themselves. I'm surprised by how common this view seems to be.

Many people believe that Mrs Thatcher and the free market economists that influenced her saved Britain from the burgeoning power of the trade unions and Marxist infiltration of the shop floor.

[financeguy]

Originally posted by verte76
She was Ronald Reagan's lapdog, and I didn't like Reagan.

Other way around, if anything!

[martha]

Originally posted by financeguy
Many people believe that Mrs Thatcher and the free market economists that influenced her saved Britain from the burgeoning power of the trade unions

What would have been so terrible if the trade unions had had success?

Originally posted by financeguy

and Marxist infiltration of the shop floor.

Any proof of this happening?

These are not rhetorical questions.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by financeguy
Diamond's point, I believe was to compare Hilary Clinton's achievements unfavorably to Margaret Thatcher's.

Can you explain why you consider this to be a double standard? Can you explain why you consider this to be sexist?

Diamond's point, the entire time, has been to belittle her as a bad person to thinly veil his hatred of her politics and his sexism. He's tried to make something out of nothing many times, and has called her a shrew and commented an unreasonable amount on Bill Clinton. He always preaches religion and forgiveness but thinks her forgiveness of Bill is ridiculous (double standard).

The bottom line is that he dislikes her politics. He's not an outright sexist but makes too many sexist comments in the course of an average thread.

[financeguy]

Originally posted by martha
What would have been so terrible if the trade unions had had success?

In my opinion, whilst trade unions should certainly be permitted, it is dangerous if they are allowed too much power.

Originally posted by martha
Any proof of this happening?

These are not rhetorical questions.

Yep. Plenty of proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_tendency

Militant Tendency:-

"In 1972, the Militant tendency won a resolution at Labour Party conference which committed the next Labour government to introduce "a socialist plan of production based on public ownership"[2]. In 1975, it came into the public eye through a Labour Party report giving evidence for its entrist tactics and a number of press exposés which followed. Between 1975 and 1980, attempts by Reginald Underhill and others within the leadership of the Labour Party to expel the Militant were rejected by the Labour Party's National Executive Committee, which appointed a Militant member to the position of National Youth Organiser in 1976[3]."

...Demands for nationalisation
At the 1972 Labour Party national conference a resolution moved and seconded by well known, long standing Militant tendency supporters, Pat Wall and Ray Apps, was passed by 3,501,000 votes to 2,497,000. [66]It demanded that the Labour government commit itself to enacting "an enabling bill to secure the public ownership of the major monopolies". The conference agreed to call on the Labour Party executive to

“ formulate a socialist plan of production based on public ownership, with minimum compensation, of the commanding heights of the economy. [67] ”

"Militant supporter Pat Wall declared: "No power on earth can stop the organised labour movement!" and "called for Labour to win the workers to a programme of taking power by taking over the 350 monopolies which controlled 85 per cent of the economy." The Militant newspaper commented "This is an answer to those who argue for a slow, gradual, almost imperceptible progress towards nationalisation."[68]"

Derek 'Degsy' Hatton:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton

"Hatton championed the Militant tendency policy that the council should declare an illegal "deficit budget" and claim back £30 million "stolen" by central government. Once adopted by the Liverpool District Labour Party and a broad coalition of 49 councillors on the Liverpool city council (reduced to 47 by the deaths of two councillors), this policy catapulted Hatton and the city council into media attention and conflict with the Conservative led central government.

Hatton was expelled from the Labour Party in 1986 for belonging to the Militant tendency, which Hatton argued was a legitimate Marxist organisation within the Labour Party, but the National Executive Committee of the party voted to expel Hatton by 12 votes to 6"

[martha]

Originally posted by financeguy


In my opinion, whilst trade unions should certainly be permitted, it is dangerous if they are allowed too much power.

You proved you other point well, but why would uniuons be any more dangerous than corporations with too much power?

[financeguy]

Originally posted by martha
You proved you other point well, but why would uniuons be any more dangerous than corporations with too much power?

Corporations with too much power are indeed more dangerous than unions. I've never suggested otherwise.