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Old 08-30-2007, 09:49 PM   #736
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1. True, he wasn't very proactive when it came to legislation. Luckily he'll be running against Hillary who has done little to distinguish herself as a Senator. (except vote for a war her party detests)

2-3. He'll announce, establish what he stands for, start debating and these things will come to light.

4. Maybe Bill Clinton will give his some advice.

5. He won't run if he doesn't care.


1. actually, HRC has a very strong Senate record, which has been particularly characterized by her willingness to work with Republicans, such as Brownback. and she had 8 years in the WH. there's lots she can point to and say that she's done, whether you agree or not.

2-3. we'll see. but isn't it bad that you don't even know what he stands for other than RNC talking poitns and he's running for president? i know what Brownback, Huckabee, McCain, and others are all about. they have visions and plans and causes and organizing worldviews. does Fred have any of this?

4. weak. but i don't think Bill had any dudes on his sexual resume. i'm just saying ...

5. Bush ran and he didn't care. and look where we are.
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You say he appeals to a wide demographic of Republicans, yet you can say all this about him? That doesn't make me fell good about the state of my country's electorate.
It's just way too early to know everything he stands for. I think that if he runs a campaign based on strong conservative values he has the gravitas and persona to appeal to his base.
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I'm a Christian and so are a few of my friends. We'll all support Thompson if he gets the nomination.


and i know lots of Christians for Kuchinich.

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It's just way too early to know everything he stands for. I think that if he runs a campaign based on strong conservative values he has the gravitas and persona to appeal to his base.


but isn't that the problem? there's no there there!

he doesn't stand for anything other than the empty Regan figurehead into which the RNC and political consultants will pour positions that will make him appear appealing and electable.

he'll remain an actor. through and through.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Irvine511
[B]2-3. we'll see. but isn't it bad that you don't even know what he stands for other than RNC talking poitns and he's running for president? i know what Brownback, Huckabee, McCain, and others are all about. they have visions and plans and causes and organizing worldviews. does Fred have any of this?

That's because these candidates have announced and have been debating. Give Thompson a chance to get out there and he'll communicate what he stands for.
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but isn't that the problem? there's no there there!

he doesn't stand for anything other than the empty Regan figurehead into which the RNC and political consultants will pour positions that will make him appear appealing and electable.

he'll remain an actor. through and through.
Fine. Let him announce/debate and if he's a vapid Reagan shrill than he'll crash and burn and I'll admit I'm wrong.
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Thompson is DOA. You may hope he makes something of himself, but the guy, for all his celebrity, is pathetic at raising money. He stands for nothing and looks like an unenergized, old windbag on TV. He'll end up being McCain Part Deux and Giuliani will probably weasel through. Now there's someone whose authoritarian style scares the shit out of me.
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That's because these candidates have announced and have been debating. Give Thompson a chance to get out there and he'll communicate what he stands for.


he had a whole tenure in the Senate! what more do you need in order to create some sort of political ideology and principles?
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I'm a Christian and so are a few of my friends. We'll all support Thompson if he gets the nomination.
Christian doesn't always = Christian right. That's something many on this board need to figure out.

That being said, Thompson already got a publicized questioning of credibility by James Dobson. Not good if you want the Christian right vote. But the christian right isn't Thompson's problem(I was speaking of other canidates when I made that statement) his problems goes far beyond that. His problem is more with the "real" Republicans not the neo-cons. His part in watergate, the fact that he's still trying to be a serious actor and not distancing himself(like other actors before him), and his well publicized laziness are just a few of his hurdles.
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he had a whole tenure in the Senate! what more do you need in order to create some sort of political ideology and principles?
A cursory view of his votes shows he was for lower taxes, pro-life, pro-gun, voted for the war, he's strong on national security.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic..._Fred_Thompson
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if Fred becomes the nominee, i can't wait to see the Christian Right struggle to find a way to embrace all those "Hollywood Values."
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A cursory view of his votes shows he was for lower taxes, pro-life, pro-gun, voted for the war, he's strong on national security.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic..._Fred_Thompson


this tells me he was a Republican Senator.

there are 50 of them, and most aren't running for president.

what has he done? what foreign experience does he have?
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but, seriously MF, why would you vote for Fred over the other Republican candidates?
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Christian doesn't always = Christian right. That's something many on this board need to figure out.

That being said, Thompson already got a publicized questioning of credibility by James Dobson. Not good if you want the Christian right vote. But the christian right isn't Thompson's problem(I was speaking of other canidates when I made that statement) his problems goes far beyond that. His problem is more with the "real" Republicans not the neo-cons. His part in watergate, the fact that he's still trying to be a serious actor and not distancing himself(like other actors before him), and his well publicized laziness are just a few of his hurdles.
In May he asked Law and Order to release him of his acting responsibilities. He's not trying to be a serious actor.

In what way are "real" Republicans his problem?
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In May he asked Law and Order to release him of his acting responsibilities. He's not trying to be a serious actor.

In what way are "real" Republicans his problem?
But he hasn't said anything about leaving acting, in fact there is talk that he has roles lined up. Others have taken a hard stance that they will not act again, or at least until they are out of office. He's still holding on for a back up plan(which he should).

I listed his problems.
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