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Old 07-18-2007, 03:00 PM   #466
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From Wm Kristol

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Even at Bush's current low point in popularity, the leading GOP presidential candidates are competitive in the polls with Democratic Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama. Furthermore, one great advantage of the current partisan squabbling in Washington is that while it hurts Bush, it also damages the popularity of the Democratic Congress-- where both Clinton and Obama serve. A little mutual assured destruction between the Bush administration and Congress could leave the Republican nominee, who will most likely have no affiliation with either, in decent shape.

And what happens when voters realize in November 2008 that, if they choose a Democrat for president, they'll also get a Democratic Congress and therefore liberal Supreme Court justices? Many Americans will recoil from the prospect of being governed by an unchecked triumvirate of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. So the chances of a Republican winning the presidency in 2008 aren't bad.

What it comes down to is this: If Petraeus succeeds in Iraq, a Republican can win in 2008.
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:14 PM   #468
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i love the assumption that the word "win" has any sort of meaning for Iraq. there's nothing to be won.

this isn't "Saving Private Ryan."
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i wonder when these frontrunners are gonna start talking about domestic emergencies.


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i love the assumption that the word "win" has any sort of meaning for Iraq. there's nothing to be won.

this isn't "Saving Private Ryan."
But nonetheless, if America can be perceived to be "winning" than that will definitely help a Republican candidate. At it's most cynical I could actually see the argument made by some on the Right that the Dems "want America to lose." I don't think that's true of most Democrats or even the candidates, but for someone cynical enough to recognize what a perceived "victory" would mean for the Democrats, the need for percieved "loss" IS vital. The Democratic equivalent of someone like Karl Rove would need for the U.S. to "lose" in Iraq.

Which leads me to the question of what would be perceived as "winning" in Iraq.

I think the single biggest factor would be a marked decrease in violence in Iraq. When we stop losing soldiers in Iraq, even if we don't leave, I think that would be perceived as a victory in the eyes of the American public. It would be for me. And that's something that can't be "spun" one way or another, really. Either our troops are dying or they're not.
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I love the '08 Campaign:

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It always kind of creeps me out when I see one of the candidates on there.
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ETA: NM, the picture showed up. I've seen Nader speak twice...one time in front of an EXTREMELY liberal crowd, and he got booed b/c he cost Gore 2000. The second time I saw him I fell asleep.



I hate this being undecided I wish someone could just step in the race and save everything. Who that could be, I have no idea
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I used to Nader until he drank a coke. To be so anti-corporation, why in the world would he drink coke...of all corporations!

Laura - there's always Dennis
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I love the '08 Campaign:

Haha. o, it is already started. i did see the live coverage of the discussion about cutting money on the public broadcasting. the democrates came up with very good reasons to not do that, like it is the only free source of information and it is the only emergency information channel on the inlands of america. the reps came up with,....this money can be used for iraq veterans.


i can see it in the future reps commercials.

remember, the democrate party is against more money for veterans.
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remember, the democrate party is against more money for veterans.


what!?!?!!

i had no idea.



well, i guess i'll just have to vote Republican then.
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what!?!?!!

i had no idea.



well, i guess i'll just have to vote Republican then.
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I used to Nader until he drank a coke. To be so anti-corporation, why in the world would he drink coke...of all corporations!

Laura - there's always Dennis
MUST we be that anti-corporate? I LIKE Coke.
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