October Surprise

[A_Wanderer]

Rumours around the blogosphere is that the Washington Times (I know damn Moonies!) are going to pull an October surprise against Kerry on monday.

 

[anitram]

Where, exactly? I'm not seeing it on what are likely the 3 premiere leftist blogs (Echaton/Pandagon/Daily Kos)...

ETA: He's just been endorsed by the Washington Post.

We're 10 days away, and it all comes down to voter turnout. If voter turnout is in record numbers, Bush is as good as burnt toast.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

We're 10 days away, and it all comes down to voter turnout. If voter turnout is in record numbers, Bush is as good as burnt toast.

i know this are pretty good here. the highest number ever has turned out for early voting since it was started here in tennessee. now that doesn't mean that kerry will win the state, but i'm still glad more and more people are exercising their right to vote. but i know of at least four people in this state who have voted for kerry.

 

[sharky]

this sucks if true. The Times is totally a shill for Republicans -- the owner has fully endorsed Bush.

 

[kobayashi]

i would think each side has at least 1 minor 'bomb' to drop in the next 9 days.

 

[anitram]

The NYT story that will run tomorrow morning may just be the final nail in the Bush election coffin. It's now posted on their site and involves 380 tonnes of explosives stolen in Iraq.

The International Atomic Energy Agency publicly warned about the danger of these explosives before the war, and after the invasion it specifically told United States officials about the need to keep the explosives secured, European diplomats said in interviews last week.

The US did not secure the site despite warnings. Now 380 TONNES are missing.

And it gets better:

But the Bush administration would not allow the agency back into the country to verify the status of the stockpile. In May 2004, Iraqi officials say in interviews, they warned L. Paul Bremer III, the American head of the occupation authority, that Al Qaqaa had probably been looted. It is unclear if that warning was passed anywhere. Efforts to reach Mr. Bremer by telephone were unsuccessful. But by that time, the Americans were preoccupied with the transfer of authority to Iraq, and the insurgency was gaining strength. "It's not an excuse," said one senior administration official. "But a lot of things went by the boards."

It's time for a regime change in T-9 days.

Stunning incompetence.

 

[diamond]

oh yes yes.

 

[sharky]

the Times "bomb shell" is that Kerry said he met with Security Council members before voting in the case of the Iraq War. He did this. The Times said there may be some random person alleging he didn't meet with one country or some nonsense.

The NY Times story anitram mentioned is going to be ALOT bigger.

 

[LarryMullen's POPAngel]

I can't wait for Nov. 3rd.

 

[nbcrusader]

The NY Times story anitram mentioned is going to be ALOT bigger.

The NY Times is the real October surprise. Take one part old news, mix liberally and serve just before the election.

 

[sharky]

The NY Times is the real October surprise. Take one part old news, mix liberally and serve just before the election.

Old news? Condi was told about this only a month ago and kept her trap shut because her boss is running for reelection.

 

[nbcrusader]

It appears the explosives were stolen during the collapse of the Saddam regime. Interesting how the UN sat on this information for months and months and issues its report days before the election.

 

[kobayashi]

It appears the explosives were stolen during the collapse of the Saddam regime. Interesting how the UN sat on this information for months and months and issues its report days before the election.

where do you get that from? according to cnn, the president's staff have a different timeline


from cnn

McClellan, on Air Force One, stressed that the missing explosives were not nuclear materials, and said the storage site was the responsibility of the interim Iraqi government, not the United States, as of June 28, when the United States turned over the nation's administration to the Iraqis.

and even though its not their fault, its harmless,

The senior administration official downplayed the importance of the missing explosives, describing them as dangerous material but "stuff you can buy anywhere." The official added that the administration did not see this necessarily as a "proliferation risk."

 

[nbcrusader]

From Reuters:

The New York Times report cited White House and Pentagon officials -- as well as at least one Iraqi minister -- as acknowledging that the explosives vanished from the site shortly after the U.S.-led invasion amid widespread looting.

 

[verte76]

Where, exactly? I'm not seeing it on what are likely the 3 premiere leftist blogs (Echaton/Pandagon/Daily Kos)...

ETA: He's just been endorsed by the Washington Post.

We're 10 days away, and it all comes down to voter turnout. If voter turnout is in record numbers, Bush is as good as burnt toast.

I am very pleased that so many people are exercising their right to choose the President. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd rather people voted for Bush than didn't vote, and, hell, I'm a Kerry supporter. But I think voting to support our democracy outweighs any partisan considerations. Hell, our democracy wouldn't work without our fine conservative Republican voters.

 

[strannix]

It appears the explosives were stolen during the collapse of the Saddam regime. Interesting how the UN sat on this information for months and months and issues its report days before the election.

Even if this is true, and the NYT and the UN were intentionally withholding this until a week before the election, it wouldn't be a problem if the Bush administration hadn't decided a year and a half ago to keep it secret.

In other words, it only foils the dishonesty of the Bush administration.

 

[nbcrusader]

Security Council members deny meeting Kerry

But of the five ambassadors on the Security Council in 2002 who were reached directly for comment, four said they had never met Mr. Kerry. The four also said that no one who worked for their countries' U.N. missions had met with Mr. Kerry either.

Perhaps he met with them before he decided not to meet with them....

 

[strannix]

Perhaps he met with them before he decided not to meet with them....

Gee, perhaps Bush decided to make the world safer before he decided that almost 400 tons of high-yield explosives that can be used as nuclear triggers weren't important to guard.

 

[diamond]

Security Council members deny meeting Kerry



Perhaps he met with them before he decided not to meet with them....

 

[nbcrusader]

Gee, perhaps Bush decided to make the world safer before he decided that almost 400 tons of high-yield explosives that can be used as nuclear triggers weren't important to guard.

Uh, yeah. I'm sure there is an executive order directing the military not to guard the explosives.

 

[strannix]

Uh, yeah. I'm sure there is an executive order directing the military not to guard the explosives.

Be filppant all you want. Someone had to decide the site wasn't worth guarding. Personally, I'll hold the Commander-in-Chief responsible. You go ahead and blame the NYT or the UN if you want, but don't be suprised if some liberal thinks they're more intelligent than you as a result.

 

[tackleberry]

Uh, yeah. I'm sure there is an executive order directing the military not to guard the explosives.

Then tell me why they were not guarded??

And why weren't the museums guarded? Why were the oil "supplies" the only thing guarded? Hmmm.

You know why, because Bush had no plan what to do after the fall of Saddam. He had no plan on how to control certain outcomes. When the cuban missile crisis was flaring up, President Kennedy and his advisors had EVERY SINGLE situation mapped out. Why? Because he asked EVERY SINGLE specialist on the situation.

Bush, asked one: God. Accoeding to Bush, God told him to attack Iraq, so why should he listen to anyone else, even his own father for pete's sake!

So, it doesn't matter when this info appeared, the important thing is that it did happen, and it could have been prevented had more planning gone into this war. It's also important for this info to surface, because it shows the President's lack of credibility, which is crucial in an election.

 

[nbcrusader]

Be filppant all you want. Someone had to decide the site wasn't worth guarding. Personally, I'll hold the Commander-in-Chief responsible. You go ahead and blame the NYT or the UN if you want, but don't be suprised if some liberal thinks they're more intelligent than you as a result.

Wonderful arrogance

 

[strannix]

Wonderful arrogance

Here are the facts:

1) Bush didn't do jackshit to secure the weapons in Iraq, and

2) instead of being worried about that, you're more concerned that someone brought it up.

So excuse me if I'm displaying "arrogance" in wondering just what your priorities are.

 

[nbcrusader]

I'm not sure you have a full grasp of what you deem to be "facts".

And I would suggest sticking to the issues at hand, instead of going after individual members of the board.

 

[hiphop]

Its always entertaining to see old propaganda techniques.

Follow the leader

 

[strannix]

I'm not sure you have a full grasp of what you deem to be "facts".

And I would suggest sticking to the issues at hand, instead of going after individual members of the board.

I'm not going after you, thank you very much. I've responded directly to remarks you've made elsewhere in this thread, in a manner I believe to be consistent with the guidelines given in the FAQ. I do not intend to carry this discussion over to another forum, and when I've made remarks about you personally, I've noticed you're more than happy to respond in kind.

I'd day, given your responses, that your problem is more with the substance, and not tone, of what I've written. But I've long learned to expect that from conservatives; if they cannot respond to the questions at hand, they say how unfair it is that they're being asked in the first place.

 

[nbcrusader]

Ah, back to the generalizations about conservatives.

 

[hiphop]

Ah, back to the generalizations about conservatives.

Wow, another full sentence without a reply

 

[nbcrusader]

Right back at ya....