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Old 12-24-2006, 12:36 PM   #31
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I'm not going to indict Obama on the real estate thing without sufficient evidence. Did he have knowledge of this fiasco beforehand? Kick his ass (hypothetically speaking). If he didn't, leave it alone.
Keep in mind what the frightened conservatives did to the Clintons: murder rumors, real estate investigations, etc. And that was over white politicians threatening the status quo. If the frightened conservatives see Obama as a having a real shot, I expect the big guns to be brought out.
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It's sad and frustrating to me that this thread even exists. As was posted earlier in the thread, when it comes to government, the main concern should be the persons politics, their views. I'm Jewish and if I sat around and waited for a Jew to run for President before I voted I'd be waiting a long time. People should be wondering about Obama's experience, his acumen, his perspective on Iraq and any other issues important to them, and worry less about which "black experience" he has had.

Sean, good point about Lincoln, by the way. We should sometimes look at the reverse argument and ask if experience has always lead to a strong President. It guarantees nothing.
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You're right, No Spoken Words..problem is, the 'black experience' is oh, so very important to some: being poor, living in the ghetto, selling drugs, that kind of thing is supposed to be what every Black person knows. Not that that's true, but it's ingrained in the way a lot of kids are taught, if they aren't from a middle class family.
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I think for some, Black is more of a culture than it is a race.
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I think for some, Black is more of a culture than it is a race.
Maybe kind of like being Jewish is more than a theological belief, it's, to many, a culture as well.

And, the more I think about that, I can see how if a secular Jew ran for President, it's not a sure thing that person would garner the Jewish vote (which is a small vote, sure, but still) because the ultra-religious Jews living here might look down on that candidate for not being as devout as they. I've experienced that in my life, not while running for office but in other ways, but that's another thread. So, while not a perfect analogy, maybe that avenue of thought can better help me understand/relate to some of the previous points.

However, again, I'd hate to see my above scenario or the scenarios discussed earlier come to fruition. Hell, I don't even want to be the guy who votes for a candidate because we have some sort of cultural or ethnic or religious link. I'd rather vote for someone with my politics than someone with my background.
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I know what you mean. Unfortunately though, it seems like the general public is all about image. I expect to see some crap quality made for tv movies about Obama's life pop up later down the road. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the proof that he is human. I suspect that a lot of politicians are robots, or pawns if you will, strategically placed while some puppetmaster is working his/her way to world domination....

what was i saying? oh yeah...i appreciate that he is human and has a background, but that isn't exactly the foundation behind my vote. issues, people, issues! and an agenda would be nice too. something more than just "vote 4 me cuz i'm not bush0rz!"
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i appreciate that he is human and has a background, but that isn't exactly the foundation behind my vote. issues, people, issues! and an agenda would be nice too. something more than just "vote 4 me cuz i'm not bush0rz!"
There was an excellent article in Time, a few issues back, where he speaks about the issues. I don't remember all the specifics but do remember I liked the way he thinks. I don't know if he has the expierence to be president, but really, who does?

and Martha you are so right about the forces that will be coming after him. There are so many "under the radar" groups just waiting to for him to announce, anything.
Correction, they aren't waiting.
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Here is a link to the Time article..

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...6362-1,00.html
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Since when does one columnist speak for all African-Americans? This is extremely lazy reporting.
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Since when does one columnist speak for all African-Americans? This is extremely lazy reporting.
We Blacks had an election back in July and voted for that particular columnist to be our spokesperson.

Perhaps you hadn't heard.
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Here is a link to the Time article..

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I read that article and that's where I became a fan. Perhaps this is really egotistical and vain, but I think I liked him because he reminds me a lot of myself--a multiracial, family background, a "see both sides of the coin" mentality. He thinks just like I do!
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mycocksean I like that. yah, we all are really the Borg, didn'jaknow? We have a many mind that seeks to control the earth.
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It hurts that he doesn't want to come to my school. We were really looking forward to this. I don't even know what our plan B was, and I'm on our programming board.

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Obama turns down Tech invitation to speak on MLK day
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U.S. Sen. Barack Obama probably won’t be coming to Virginia Tech to speak on Martin Luther King Day. University officials were hopeful that the potential presidential candidate would be coming to Blacksburg as the keynote speaker for Tech’s celebration of the holiday. But Obama won’t be traveling anywhere over the next few weeks as he mulls a presidential bid, Tech spokesman Mark Owczarski said.

"With all due respect to us, if he’s kicking the presidential tires I guess he doesn’t want to be in Blacksburg, Virginia," said Owczarski, who pegged Obama’s chances of coming to speak at 50 percent last month.

Ray Plaza, project specialist for diversity initiatives in Tech’s office of multicultural affairs, said the university learned late yesterday that the Illinois Democrat probably won’t be able to make it to Blacksburg.

"We've been told to seriously look at our Plan B," he said. "The issue is we don’t know when he’s going to announce and he has sort of a freeze on his schedule ... I think any other year, we’d be fine."

Tech is expected to announce its keynote speaker for Martin Luther King Day sometime in the next two days.

"If not today than tomorrow," Plaza said. "We’re trying to move very quickly."

The Rev. Jesse Jackson spoke at last year’s celebration.
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Old 01-03-2007, 04:35 PM   #45
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Haha believe me, I was all set to give out some comp tickets to anyone on this board who was interested.

He better run for office now. Because his indecisiveness costed me an opportunity to touch him that day. And a chance to have dinner with him. This better be worth it Barack!!!!
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