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It's only mystifying if you believe it.
We read Marx in my 12th grade Humanities class. I suppose that makes me and my teacher that year a bunch of no good rotten commies.
Irvine511
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it's a long read, but damn, Barry was really, really fucking cool back in the day ... and his waxings on TS Eliot are just the kind of thing that make liberal's hearts to pitter-patter.
you can read the whole thing here: Young Barack Obama in Love: A Girlfriend's Secret Diary | Politics | Vanity Fair
but the more fun Gawker version i'll go ahead and post:
you can read the whole thing here: Young Barack Obama in Love: A Girlfriend's Secret Diary | Politics | Vanity Fair
but the more fun Gawker version i'll go ahead and post:
Pick-Up Tips from 22-Year-Old Barack Obama’s Sex Life
Today Vanity Fair published an excerpt from Washington Post editor David Maraniss' new Barack Obama biography. The selection focuses on Obama's first serious girlfriend, 25-year-old Genevieve Cook, whom he dated when he was 22 and living in New York.
Using Barack's love letters and Genevieve's alarmingly well-written diary, Maraniss constructs what shall henceforth be known as The 4-Step Barack Obama Seduction Technique.
Step 1: Beanbag Chair Opener
Hours later, after midnight, she was about to leave when Barack Obama approached and asked her to wait. They plopped down on an orange beanbag chair at the end of the hall, and this time the conversation clicked.
Step 2: Home-Cooked Dinner Seduction
Genevieve (pictured at right, in the June 2012 Vanity Fair) describes her first date with Barack: "I'm pretty sure we had dinner maybe the Wednesday after. I think maybe he cooked me dinner. Then we went and talked in his bedroom…"
Step 3: FUCK
"…And then I spent the night. It all felt very inevitable."
Step 4: Keep Her Wanting More, With Your Hot Bod and Sexy Stink
She remembered how on Sundays Obama would lounge around, drinking coffee and solving the New York Times crossword puzzle, bare-chested, wearing a blue and white sarong.
"I open the door, that Barack keeps closed, to his room, and enter into a warm, private space pervaded by a mixture of smells that so strongly speak of his presence, his liveliness, his habits—running sweat, Brut spray deodorant, smoking, eating raisins, sleeping, breathing."
Maraniss' excerpt also contains portions from Barack Obama's college love letters, which reference T.S. Eliot, "bourgeois liberalism," and Jacques Derrida. Turns out young Barack Obama could have been a character in Girls.
Pick-Up Tips from 22-Year-Old Barack Obama's Sex Life
Earnie Shavers
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PhilsFan said:
I'm pretty sure he's just trolling for fun.
BVS
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Irvine511
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yeah, Obama's an affirmative action baby who only got where he is based on the color of his skin and his college transcripts will reveal that. after all, read his dumb-azz love letters in that Vanity Fair article:
Mrs. Garrison
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Do you realize that i do not care what anyone here thinks about me?
How about, as a filter, we open our minds to something outside of our realm in which we feel comfortable.
I did not write these articles, nor did i say that i believed them word for word. But they are out there, and like those of you who believe hook, line, & sinker every bad word written about the republicans - these serve as something to challenge the status quo that most of you never step outside of.
President Obama is average president at best, at worst he is a national disaster who's lack of business principles and leadership has kept this nations economy in the tank. The only ting he's bothered to get right was giving the order to kill Osama Bin Laden, which at the time he didnt want to make a big deal of because he didnt want to inflame tensions with al qaeda. Now be prepared to hear about this for the next 6 months until election day - because its all he's got. Of course we should forget that he was against the war on terror to begin with. He was against the methods which the US was able to extract intel that lead to this operation he is taking credit for. Just like he was against the surge in Iraq in 2006, which is the only reason we are able to claim any kind of victory there, which of course he will be telling us all about "his" victory there as he ended that war. The man has no shame. He's nothing more than a shit president who's a terrible leader who likes to play golf on our dime, which is fitting since he wants the half of the country who actually do pay taxes to support the rest of the entitlement society who don't with their freeloading lifestyle. Yes, we fools who pay our fair share of the burden are supporting the lazy leeches who continue to drag this entire nation into the sewer.
The economy is awful, housing prices are back near Y2K levels meaning millions of Americans are upside down in their homes, his administration is hell bent on derailing America's energy industry and our Narcissist in Chief keeps telling us he's saved the auto industry at the same time. How many hundreds of millions of dollars does GM still owe the public? (i buy GM products and have family who worked for GM, so its not like im on the anti GM bandwagon nor have i ever been). And everyday i turn on the news - various sources - it seems a new scandal emerges from this administration. 3 words for you; ATTACK THE MESSENGER. That's all you've got.
Ive said this before and i will say it again, one final time. We live in a stupid fucking country. And this nation has turned into a me-first entitlement mentality where people expect everything to be done for them or handed to them for free. This country is no longer worth my service and i wouldn't do it again if i were coming of age today. This just isn't worth my sacrifice in this day and age....i will be just as happy to watch it go down in flames as much as i would be to watch everything turn around. I simply don't care anymore.
Yes its "madness" or "insane" that someone like myself actually had the nerve to come into comfortable little FYM and post something that doesn't quite fit. And then i have the nerve to put people who flame me with personal insults on my ignore list so i dont have to see their vitriol. Not like there was going to be a serious debate anyways with that type of thing going on. And of course, there won't be anybody asking them to stop either, haha.
Fear not, soon i will be gone and you can your little piece of paradise back. I truly hope that someday you all can step outside of the box and see the bigger picture for what it is. Those gosh darn Republicans might not be so evil after all, maybe they were onto something with their backward ideas about "creating jobs" and "hard work" and all that crazy talk. Until then, keep treating everyone with a different view as garbage and keep kicking them out to the curb. And enjoy the dream while it lasts - because without dreams you will be sleeping with the dead.
Cheers
ladyfreckles
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Of course, not he's a politician. None of them do.
Like most presidents you mean?
Yes, if by "lazy leeches" you mean rich people who get wealthy off of the effort of other people while wastefully owning 10 yachtz and mansions and funding congress so they can be sure to get the best tax cuts.
Homes were overpriced over the past few years. They were so ridiculously expensive that the average american couldn't even afford to own a home. I view the housing price going down as progress. Just thought I'd point out, though, that this is irrelevant. The president doesn't really have anything to do with the real estate market, which has gone up and down and had bubbles on and off for at least 50 years.
Let me point out a president commonly lauded as the best president we have ever had by republicans. Ronald Reagan. 135+ members of his administration were forced to resign for crimes. How about that?
The only entitlement problem this country has are with people wanting to buy too many things. Wanting to have fair home pricing, fair pricing for education (which by the way--the best educated countries in the world don't have to pay the kind of money we do for a college education), and affordable health care is not being entitled. We're not entitled, we're demanding what America used to have decades ago that's no longer given to us because some rich men now run the place. College should never have become "for profit". Neither should health care. Nor the public sector. But it did.
I can assure you that nobody here dislikes the idea of creating jobs, nor do they dislike hard work. As someone who's worked her butt off only to be treated as "replaceable" by her corporation employer I resent that entirely. Hard work doesn't get you anywhere anymore unless you're lucky enough to work in a job environment that rewards it. Instead, people are working themselves to the point of exhaustion, 60+ hour weeks, and then having their employer not even acknowledge it because that kind of slavery is expected and they can just replace you with someone else who's desperate for the job anyway.
Kieran McConville
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I dislike hard work.
And frankly the world, this century, is likely going to get that leisure society they used to promise us, and we are going to have to learn how to deal with it. On present indications, not well at all.
My little off-topic rant.
And frankly the world, this century, is likely going to get that leisure society they used to promise us, and we are going to have to learn how to deal with it. On present indications, not well at all.
My little off-topic rant.
Mrs. Garrison said:
Yes, they certainly are out there.
As for the rest of your rant, I wonder if you could step back from it a bit and view it objectively enough to realize that, ignoring the plainly inaccurate claims (torture lead to finding Bin Laden, GM still owes millions, etc), a lot of your anger has absolutely nothing to do with anything Obama has or hasn't done, but rather systemic problems that this country has been dealing with for decades - problems that can't be solved in a day, and problems that definitely can't be solved when one party absolutely refuses to compromise on anything which might be viewed as a victory for the President.
But if it makes you feel better to consider yourself the rebel who has up-ended our cozy little den here in FYM, suit yourself.
cobl04
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This reminds me of this song by David Bowie
David Bowie - Drive-in Saturday - YouTube
Which is about humanity in the future having to watch old 70s pornos to learn how to have sex again, because they've become lazy and forgotten.
maycocksean
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I don't need to look for "bad words written about the Republicans." What the Republicans say themselves is more than sufficient for me.
Don't say that, bro. Yes, our country has problems, but I don't think you should take it that far.
Who here has said they are opposed to creating jobs and hard work? (Well, okay there was that one guy, but you know what I mean).
BVS
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Mrs. Garrison said:
The problem is, is that this is a completely childish approach... to life or discussion.
Kieran McConville
ONE love, blood, life
Just to be clear I wasn't claiming in my post that I have not put considerable effort into this or that thing, in the course of my life.
But 'hard work' is a shibboleth. And will become the more so in a world where less and less jobs are really even necessary. I get that it had a cultural utility in the crucial centuries between say 1750 and 1950, but that circle is closing fast. So it is isn't really laziness I'm driving at here (although I am, very lazy indeed).
ladyfreckles
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I don't like that employers expect employees to work their butt off only to get no recognition. Part of the purpose of the capitalist system is for people to earn high rewards when they work hard. The very critique many republican super pro-capitalism people make against a socialist economy is that there's no reward in it. Except right now, employers are expecting their employees to act like slaves knowing they can just replace them with the next desperate person should they slack off. I hate that.
I hated working myself into exhaustion for a job that paid minimum wage. And I do mean exhaustion. I was passing out while standing up. My dad does it and makes a very generous amount of money, yet they don't believe in awarding employees with achievements or trophies like companies used to do. There are still some rewarding companies out there, and I praise them for it, but far too many organizations that just want mindless hard-working drones and don't care about their employees at all.
Moonlit_Angel
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All I will simply respond to is this:
People have been doing that for as long as this board's been around. Unfortunately many have since left for various reasons, but I for one always welcomed opposing viewpoints, and I think many others here do as well. I like debating with people, no matter how bothered I may be by their views. I find others' opinions fascinating. I've never used my ignore list a day in my life-in part because I completely forget it's there, but overall mainly because I don't wish to use it to begin with (and also because I don't know if that's a feature I could use even if I wanted to since I'm not a premium member). I don't want to ignore people simply because they happen to disagree with me on a political issue.
But if I think someone's stance on something doesn't make much sense, or is, to put it bluntly, wrong, I'm going to say so. If you think anything I say doesn't make sense, or that I'm wrong, feel free to call me out on it, too.
As for the articles, many people here post articles they themselves may not agree with personally all the time. But they also try and introduce some sort of discussion in regards to those articles, too, they make note of something they DID agree with, or if they disagree, they state why, or whatever. To just post it and leave it there with little to no comment...well, what are we supposed to infer from that? I can tell you what I think of an article I post, what do you think of one you share?
Bringing up inflammatory things are going to make people upset, because they're either not true or exaggerated or insulting or whatever and don't help the discussion. We can talk about the problems related to the welfare system without always feeling a need to rant against people on it, describing them as lazy people who just refuse to pay taxes, or insinuating that if you are in favor of some sort of welfare program you don't support hard work. We can talk about Obama's weaknesses without bringing talk of communism and socialism into the topic (which is something I'd sincerely love to see for once). And so on.
That being said, I'm sorry if the atmosphere here has made you want to leave, and hope you'll change your mind and stick around. Being one of the few lone voices can indeed be tough, and I will agree people haven't always made it easy for the few dissenting voices some days.
People have been doing that for as long as this board's been around. Unfortunately many have since left for various reasons, but I for one always welcomed opposing viewpoints, and I think many others here do as well. I like debating with people, no matter how bothered I may be by their views. I find others' opinions fascinating. I've never used my ignore list a day in my life-in part because I completely forget it's there, but overall mainly because I don't wish to use it to begin with (and also because I don't know if that's a feature I could use even if I wanted to since I'm not a premium member). I don't want to ignore people simply because they happen to disagree with me on a political issue.
But if I think someone's stance on something doesn't make much sense, or is, to put it bluntly, wrong, I'm going to say so. If you think anything I say doesn't make sense, or that I'm wrong, feel free to call me out on it, too.
As for the articles, many people here post articles they themselves may not agree with personally all the time. But they also try and introduce some sort of discussion in regards to those articles, too, they make note of something they DID agree with, or if they disagree, they state why, or whatever. To just post it and leave it there with little to no comment...well, what are we supposed to infer from that? I can tell you what I think of an article I post, what do you think of one you share?
Bringing up inflammatory things are going to make people upset, because they're either not true or exaggerated or insulting or whatever and don't help the discussion. We can talk about the problems related to the welfare system without always feeling a need to rant against people on it, describing them as lazy people who just refuse to pay taxes, or insinuating that if you are in favor of some sort of welfare program you don't support hard work. We can talk about Obama's weaknesses without bringing talk of communism and socialism into the topic (which is something I'd sincerely love to see for once). And so on.
That being said, I'm sorry if the atmosphere here has made you want to leave, and hope you'll change your mind and stick around. Being one of the few lone voices can indeed be tough, and I will agree people haven't always made it easy for the few dissenting voices some days.
MrsSpringsteen
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Um...
Let's hear some more about 22 year old Obama's sex life. I guess now he's saying that was some sort of "composite girlfriend". I've got to read that VF article.
I think the other articles being discussed are like the chain e-mails that someone else used to post here all the time. Not interested, sorry. But it's hardly as if I'm some drooling Obama worshiper who is incapable of critical thought because I dismiss those types of articles/can't be bothered with them. I don't have the time to read them either, because I'm just struggling to get through every day.
I read and see and experience enough to make my own judgments about President Obama's job performance, and they're not all that positive. But Mitt Romney or any of the other Republicans aren't going to save us either.
Let's hear some more about 22 year old Obama's sex life. I guess now he's saying that was some sort of "composite girlfriend". I've got to read that VF article.
I think the other articles being discussed are like the chain e-mails that someone else used to post here all the time. Not interested, sorry. But it's hardly as if I'm some drooling Obama worshiper who is incapable of critical thought because I dismiss those types of articles/can't be bothered with them. I don't have the time to read them either, because I'm just struggling to get through every day.
I read and see and experience enough to make my own judgments about President Obama's job performance, and they're not all that positive. But Mitt Romney or any of the other Republicans aren't going to save us either.
deep
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on that ^ topic
1. I don't care
2. does it matter? well, I could go back four years in here and show you several places where when I suggested that Hillary Clinton was the best candidate several of his more ardent supporters told me his life story counted as life experience that made him qualified to be president, they kept asking me if I had read his autobiography, that if I only read that, I would have a true picture of who he was and what he had been through
his supporters can't have it both ways, touting the books as credible reasons to give him the nomination and now saying 'not factually correct' does not matter.
1. I don't care
2. does it matter? well, I could go back four years in here and show you several places where when I suggested that Hillary Clinton was the best candidate several of his more ardent supporters told me his life story counted as life experience that made him qualified to be president, they kept asking me if I had read his autobiography, that if I only read that, I would have a true picture of who he was and what he had been through
his supporters can't have it both ways, touting the books as credible reasons to give him the nomination and now saying 'not factually correct' does not matter.
deep
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but for a reason to vote for Obama in 2012?
any real deficit hawk and law and order conservation should stand up and applaud this
any real deficit hawk and law and order conservation should stand up and applaud this
BVS
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I haven't met many of these people, but honestly I think that most people understand that biographies and autobiographies use artistic license. Those people also understand the difference between license and lies.deep said:
BVS
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The Medicare story is great 
MrsSpringsteen
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1.
I was simply stating that I'd rather read about his love life as a 22 year old than the head scratching stuff that's been going on in this thread. It's not like it's 50 Shades of Grey. Even though they apparently had sex on their first date.2. I bought his books as a historic something to save, cheap in paperback from Costco. Never read either one of them. I was a Hillary supporter, I have her book signed that I waited in line for. I'm sure hers isn't 100 % factually correct either. Neither is GWB's. Or anyone else's.
He said it was a composite girlfriend in his autobiography, not in the new bio of him that's coming out. Genevieve says that he had an icy cool side and that he replied "thank you" when she told him she loved him. Just an interesting (to me) tidbit, don't expect anyone here to care. Hopefully, for Michelle's sake, he's changed since he was 22. Seems as if he has, if the image I have of him as a husband and father is in any way accurate.
financeguy
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Some public sector workers are overpaid, particularly the unionised ones. Only on this forum is this viewed as a dramatic, outlandish controversial thing to suggest.
Irvine511
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Te outlandish suggestion is that federal workers in DC are the cause of the national debt.
ladyfreckles
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Depends on the region. Not all unions are bad, but I've seen unions defend really terrible employees. The kindergarten teacher had tenor, had multiple complaints from parents, and made $80,000 a year. Then I move out west where there are much stricter requirements for being a teacher (a few extra years of schooling) and see high school teachers only making $28,000 a year. It depends. Some are drastically overpaid, and some make barely enough to be above the poverty line despite getting a PhD.
Can't judge all of them just because one guy makes what in your opinion is "too much".
Can't judge all of them just because one guy makes what in your opinion is "too much".
Moonlit_Angel
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I haven't had personal experience with unions, but I presume they're like most other things out there-they have their good points and benefits and they have their moments when they fail people, too.
I do find it funny, however, that public sector employees get attacked if they do make a comfortable living, but to dare suggest the same thing of private employees is class warfare, however. I don't care what job you're in, if you're making six figure salaries or more, that's sure a hell of a lot of money in my eyes, more than many people will ever see in their paychecks in their lifetimes, and there's a point where I would consider the pay in either line of work to be "too much".
I do find it funny, however, that public sector employees get attacked if they do make a comfortable living, but to dare suggest the same thing of private employees is class warfare, however. I don't care what job you're in, if you're making six figure salaries or more, that's sure a hell of a lot of money in my eyes, more than many people will ever see in their paychecks in their lifetimes, and there's a point where I would consider the pay in either line of work to be "too much".
PhilsFan
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Please. This isn't a situation where either people will nod their heads and say, "That makes sense" or they're just close-minded. That's what you and other pseudo-intellectuals like to do to blind yourself to the fact that you're throwing insane bullshit at the wall. Your post reads like you wrote the entire thing without a single thought. It's the equivalent of downing a few fingers of scotch and shouting into a Siri application about all the angry thoughts that pop into your head.
Maybe you should open your mind up to the possibility that people react so negatively and so strongly against your recent string of posts because they're insane bullshit, not because they're close-minded liberals who can't see the truth that you're preaching.
This is what conservatives and "conservative-leaning independents" (or whatever you prefer to call yourself) like to do. You like to bait those who lean liberally into reacting angrily by turning the dial up on the crazy, and then when they dismiss your arguments, you get to say, "Oh, we're close-minded because we're conservative? LOOK HOW CLOSE-MINDED AND DISMISSIVE YOU ARE!" You think it drips with irony, that you're exposing some sort of buried hypocrisy that we'll never be able to see.
This is too much, and it's not gonna happen any longer.
ladyfreckles
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Just about every single person I know that makes a six figure income works their butt off for it and in my opinion has earned ever penny. I live in a very wealthy area (Seattle is overpriced enough to compete with San Francisco--seriously, and not even the high median income is enough to cover our cost of living), so I know a lot of them. Many of them work 70+ hour work weeks doing very complicated work that most of us would never be capable of doing.
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