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Old 11-04-2012, 06:45 PM   #976
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I think the whole "Fuck this, they both suck" attitude is a cop out, personally. No one is asking you to actively like one party. Just pick the one that's better.

The most important question: who do you want nominating SC justices?
But that's the problem... neither of them is better.

In this particular case, I would trust Romney more with the economy, Obama more with social issues... neither on foreign policy.

Court justices? I don't have faith in either guy.

Overall I don't have much faith in our political system whatsoever. I know that Obama's been a shitty president. I don't know if Romney will be or not. That that may be my deciding argument makes me sad.
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Courts are usually more social issues. And, of course, things like Citizens United, where we can all agree it needs to be overturned.
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Courts are usually more social issues. And, of course, things like Citizens United, where we can all agree it needs to be overturned.
Until it is, we're fucked.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:51 PM   #979
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Who is more likely to nominate a justice who would overturn it? You kind of have to believe Obama.
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I don't know if its a supreme court issue anymore... I think it has to be an amendment type of issue, and I don't believe anyone from either party has the balls to go after it.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:09 AM   #981
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In this particular case, I would trust Romney more with the economy
Which aspect of his economic policy do you think is better/more appealing?

I just see the statement like the above tossed around a lot and 98% of the time it is not followed up with anything concrete. The other 2% of the time it's followed up with concrete points, none of which would actually help somebody in your socio-economic bracket.
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If people think Romney can run the economy like a business then he's got the advantage there. As limited as my knowledge is, I don't think he can do that. Unless you 'd have the model that the CEO rakes it in and the minions toil away. That's what he is to me. And we "streamline" with layoffs, not executive pay cuts.

In MA the economy didn't have any kind of boom when he was governor. He raised all kinds of fees so that he could say he didn't raise taxes. In general we tend to have a better economy here even when times are bad, like now. We have a Democrat for a governor now but he's not the reason for that. Of course state government vs federal is different.

I've said here numerous times that I'm not thrilled with Obama and I'm very dissatisfied with his job performance. Mostly on the economy. I wish I had a Democratic alternative. But under Romney I believe the upper classes will prosper and the rest will stay the same. And I don't trust the guy, because in my eyes he's a shape shifting opportunist. Of course all politicians are opportunists, but he takes the cake on shape shifting and morphing.

And as a side issue but still important to me, I want a President who can relate to people who are unlike him or her-and that would be most people. Everything I know and have read and experienced about Mitt tells me he can't. He can fake it when necessary. Can Obama relate more? In my eyes yes, naturally and organically more than Romney can. Of course how much can most politicians do that?
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If people think Romney can run the economy like a business then he's got the advantage there. As limited as my knowledge is, I don't think he can do that. Unless you 'd have the model that the CEO rakes it in and the minions toil away. That's what he is to me. And we "streamline" with layoffs, not executive pay cuts.
And this is an excellent point.

A government is not a corporation. If you take the view that a government can be run like a corporation, then are the citizens (i) customers or (ii) shareholders? Because there is a vast ocean of difference between the two.
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Why are you so discouraged by Obama and the economy mrs Springsteen

>the stimulous pakage could have been bigger? i'd agree with that

But if you're saying he hasn't done enough.....

We know he can sometimes be overly cautious, and more certerist than liberal

He did want another stimulous package,and another particula type of jobs bill--but both got smashed in the House of Representitives!

And you know Mitch McCougnal <sp> said they (Republicans) w..ere determined from day 1 to make Obama a "one term President"
I think the evening after the day's Obama Inauguration a cadre of Republican leadrs and Karl Rov& co began to plan how to obstruct him in every way possible.

And of course the more Moderate Replublicans had been leaving, were pushed out, or soon to be so.

So how much more could Pres Obama have donev( not counting the first thing since we might agree on that)?
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Another stimulus package, no. Don't think we need more spending in that regard. I like the auto bailout, think that was a good idea that worked out well.

I don't know nearly enough about economics to say but how about some incentives for private business that don't involve govt spending. Any possible things you could do that don't involve more debt. Maybe the GOP would be more likely to go along with that too. Or maybe not. I get what he's been up against, but that still doesn't cut it as an excuse for me. I think he's a very smart guy who should be able to get things done. As a person I like him immensely.

I want him to be more moderate about the economy, like Bill Clinton. Different times, different circumstances. I get that. But I still want that and think it's necessary.
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Washington Post

United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice has pulled her name out of consideration for nomination as the next secretary of state.

“If nominated, I am now convinced that the confirmation process would be lengthy, disruptive and costly – to you and to our most pressing national and international priorities,” Rice wrote in a letter to President Obama obtained by NBC News. “That trade-off is simply not worth it to our country…Therefore, I respectfully request that you no longer consider my candidacy at this time.”

Rice has come under sustained criticism from Republicans both for her handling of questions about the attack on a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi.

President Obama responded in a statement of his own, saying that he is “grateful” that Rice will continue to serve as ambassador to the United Nations and as a “key member” of his national security team.

“While I deeply regret the unfair and misleading attacks on Susan Rice in recent weeks, her decision demonstrates the strength of her character, and an admirable commitment to rise above the politics of the moment to put our national interests first,” Obama said. “The American people can be proud to have a public servant of her caliber and character representing our country.”
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Would have been completely idiotic for him to have nominated her in the first place. Not only does he have a more-than-qualified alternative choice (Kerry) that would get 90 votes in confirmation but it would have been seen as picking a big political fight with the Reps right as his 2nd term gets underway.

But methinks he might not even choose Kerry because that opens that MA Senate seat and Scott Brown could possibly get right back into the Senate.
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Joe Lieberman is available.
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he'll choose Kerry. who i think is a dick but very smart.
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If I were him, I'd nominate Jon Huntsman. Or at least consider it. But Kerry will be good.
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