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Old 09-01-2012, 10:43 PM   #811
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It is early
But we are only two months out.
I expect Obama to win with about 300 e c votes.
The Senate is the question.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:45 AM   #812
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He hates cowboys and cowgirls too? Wow, that's enough..I'm done with him.



Hank Williams Jr. repeated his anti-Obama tirade at a concert in Texas on Sunday. Performing at the Stockyards Music Festival, the country singer went on an extended rant against the president.

"We’ve got a Muslim for a President who hates cowboys, hates cowgirls, hates fishing, hates farming, loves gays, and we hate him," Williams Jr. bellowed. As the Dallas Sun reported, the crowd responded with a loud cheer.
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hates cowboys, hates cowgirls, hates ... loves gays
Isn't that an oxymoron?
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:26 AM   #814
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They should have had Chuck Norris speak at the convention

Chuck Norris and wife promise 1,000 years of darkness if Obama is reelected

Plaid shirted harbinger of doom I love that
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:49 PM   #815
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"We’ve got a Muslim for a President who hates cowboys, hates cowgirls, hates fishing, hates farming, loves gays, and we hate him," Williams Jr. bellowed.
Um...what ? That's a random grab bag of things and people if ever there was one.

(And oh, noes, he loves gays?!?! Oh, the horror! . Gee, yeah, it's such a mystery why some out there have problems with conservatives nowadays.)

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As the Dallas Sun reported, the crowd responded with a loud cheer.
I'm not sure which I find more troubling, Williams' idiotic comments or the crowd cheering them .
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:50 PM   #816
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I suspect the crowd would have cheered even if he'd said "Y'all go on and fuck yourselves now, ya hear?"
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True. Especially given that it's a concert and there was probably a lot of drinking going on on top of everything.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:50 AM   #818
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Certain family members of mine keep sending me conspiracy theory emails about Obama being a communist terrorist socialist with secret plans to destroy and bankrupt the United States. I started sending them responses with sources proving them wrong on all of their allegations and got called a liberal Obama worshipper. My response was that Obama was too conservative for me.

I really just... don't understand people. I respect different political beliefs, but I can't respect blind ignorance or the people that hang on everything Glenn Beck says as if he's the second coming of Christ. Just because I defend Obama against ridiculous conspiracy theories doesn't mean I like him. It just means I value the truth.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:53 AM   #819
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Agreed. What's that old saying, something about how you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts?

I like how pointing out areas where someone is blatantly wrong about something related to Obama means that you're a "worshipper". Are things really that black and white (...no pun intended...) for some people?
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Old 09-05-2012, 03:57 PM   #820
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I completely understand the frustration the both of you feel about family members not being well informed about Obama and the conspiracies surrounding him. It's not easy being in such a family during an intense election year.

Sometimes I wonder if it is best to just ignore them and block out their ignorant rants for the sake of your own peace of mind. Then again, I may be saying this because my family and I about to spend the weekend with my sister down in Charlotte for one of my nephew's 1st birthday. Because everyone in my immediate family is practically a radical conservatives (my other sister is more moderate, but even she's starting to believe the Obama conspiracies, for some odd reason), its going to be a really fun weekend. It's going to make me sick hearing all these anti-Obama and anti-liberal rants, especially since I can only be silent about them. If I were to speak up and point out how uninformed they are, I would be brutally shot down.

Sorry for this whiny post, but I really needed to get all this off my chest.
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Rant away . It's what we're here for.

You may be shot down, but if you feel bothered enough to the point where you need or want to speak up against such things, I'd say go for it. Never hurts to try. I do understand wanting to keep the peace, too, though. Hopefully your weekend won't be too unpleasant.

I don't see my relatives nearly enough to have this be as much of an issue. I know a cousin likes to post a bunch of anti-Obama stuff on Facebook, but I'm not on there enough to get too bothered by it, and even if I do see it I just move on to do something else.
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Old 09-05-2012, 04:36 PM   #822
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Rant away . It's what we're here for.

You may be shot down, but if you feel bothered enough to the point where you need or want to speak up against such things, I'd say go for it. Never hurts to try. I do understand wanting to keep the peace, too, though. Hopefully your weekend won't be too unpleasant.

I don't see my relatives nearly enough to have this be as much of an issue. I know a cousin likes to post a bunch of anti-Obama stuff on Facebook, but I'm not on there enough to get too bothered by it, and even if I do see it I just move on to do something else.
Thanks, Moonlit

It is hard to voice my opinions when my own parents and sisters have such hate - literal hate - for anything that is not radical conservative. The few times I've tried, I was called ignorant, that I was "missing the point". When Heath Ledger died and I expressed my sadness, my dad kind of mocked me because I had admitted before to seeing Brokeback Mountain (while no one in family had ever heard of Heath before, they didn't want to hear about him when he died because he did that movie) . When I told my sister I believe in evolution, she said in utter disgust that I was an atheist, which I'm not. I still seethe with anger over those moments.

I also want to say that I am glad FYM exists. I'm glad this forum allows different viewpoints and that the mods have a good handle on the debates here. There's a lot of intelligent people here to help me see the world from a different perspective. When I first joined Interference 10 years (I had a different screenname back then), my viewpoints were very limited because of my upbringing. But thanks to this forum, plus some of my liberal college professors, and just life in general, I've been able to see the world differently, be open-minded and have better thinking skills. Yes, I've gotten out of line and may have sounded ignorant a few times, but I was corrected in a empathetic manner, and I learned new things.
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My step-dad is a self-described lifelong Democrat, from Chicago, and voted for Obama in 2008. These days, he believes Obama is a Muslim, which to reasonable people wouldn't make any difference, but to him it's all part of some conspiracy bullshit. He is also a Birther.

He is also, pretty much, a fundamentalist Christian. And I think he's gotten more radical over the last few years. That's where the power of a certain kind of paranoid evangelism comes into play. It's hard to describe. They see it as a bigger apocalyptic picture where Obama is literally leading us to prophecy.

As an aside, I know many other fundamentalist Christians that do NOT believe this kind of stuff. Oh, they believe plenty of kooky things for sure.
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somehow i ended up with 2 separate posts (originsally) into this one post ....
I separated them. this first one was posted originally i think IN it's own "post box" AFTER the "second" one! shheeeessh



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hoooo boy U2DM and even more Pearl!

i grew up with FDR & Elenor R-type liberal parents and have stayed that way.

Sometimes i think could i be wrong contemplating some issue.... a quick review of what i've heard, seen, experinced in life -- i answer to myself "nah"

in fact in some ways i've become even more liberal/ progressive.

at some point earlier on 70's? i remember the word "progressive" that well know activist liberals claimed the word progressive because liberal had become such a "dirty" word.

On the other hand i guess it was later on that ? some people declared that progressive meant more ledft than liberal. Not to be confused with neo-liberal; altho i think some issues are agreed upon between them.

Pearl you'll get a kick out of this i think...

when i was in my tweens one of my best friends was a girl who's father left Cuba don't know if he married here or left with his wife . I remember riding in back of their car...me & and girlfriend basically saying we'd "rather be dead, than red!".

Red = Communist, Red China, Soviet Union
pink-diapered baby meant a child of avowed/suspected Communists

I had no idea back then that communism & socialism were often different things!

And also that the very humorless peole hawking their ?Socialist Workers Party Newspaper in the big hallway near the Lunchroom of my Art College were not necessarily the same as some of the brands of European Solcialism or Nordic Countries Socialism ofI think we could learn things from.

Although I belive in bending, even breaking rules at times, i'm not an anarchist. Although one of my favorite political sayings does come from an anarchist ...Emma Goldberg.
it goes something like the first part i think is verbatum

"If I can't dance to your Revolution." .... then something about> tnot being in terested in it.

too tired too goggle itf up right now

hope i fixed most of my typos!


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I pledge allegiance to the UNITED STATES not the state of Israel. There's no reason to put Jerusalem in any party platform unless you're bowing to AIPAC. They've got the money and guns- let them sort out their own shit.
ugh AIPAC .......

what's SO deffieciant and sad is that in Israel there's much more of a broader debate between Ultra-Religous, Religious, more Reform and probably some secular Jews and a very much Active Peace Movement, and Jews already working with Palestinian Peace & cooperation people through the years....
...not that many non-Jewish Americans even know this !!!

How do I know this?

I'm not Jewish, I just play one on TV!



j/k.... i spent a lot of years my later kid, tween & teen years ESP when we first moved into the middle section of the area there... it was? oh 60-65% Jewish. A mix of secular, Reform, Conservative but not Ultra-Orthadox Jews!

It was great fun when they're be the High Holy Days ( Sept - Oct depending on older Calander) and the rest of us... some Protestians, a lot of various Ethnic Catholics: Irish, Greek, and anti-Castro Cubans and Puerto Ricans Catholics too.....
and there'd be only 35-30% in the class!

Anyway i'm a native NYC'r, there's big a big Jewish presense and concentrated in certain neighborhoods more than others, so sort of picked up some of the lingo.....
and the POV that Israel could do no wrong.

Over the decades i learned a way more nuanced view. I still support their Statehood alot, but their are issues of fairness & abuse etc that have not been well adressed.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:22 PM   #825
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I've just staked $3,000 on Obama on Intrade. $5.89 a share. He's been rising like crazy this week from about $5.60 a share. Payout is ten if he wins, but I'll probably sell before election day if it's close enough since why wager nearly $5,000 to win a couple hundred?

Romney has done nothing but trend downward for the last few months both on that site and on the 538 blog. There's nothing he can really do in the next two months to turn things around at this point. It's starting to look more and more probable that the only state he will reclaim from Obama is Indiana - the only state 538 managed to pick wrong in the last election (and the most obvious one to flip back to red).
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