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Old 08-28-2012, 11:47 PM   #736
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That is in line with what Boehner has said:



So the Republican strategy is hoping minorities and the poor just don't vote.

Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos 'Won't Show Up' This Election - Politics - The Atlantic Wire
Infuriating. Every time I think I might be open to conservative arguments, this kind of thing stops me in my tracks. The way the Republicans are trying to prevent certain voting blocs from being able to vote is unconscionable.

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And 4 years later President Obama's only solutions have been government checks (unemployment, food stamps and SSI disability).
I know it was impolitic. But every time I hear that Obama quote, I can't help thinking "but he's right!"

And Obama's "only solutions have been handing out gov. checks, food stamps etc." Weren't you the one crying out piously about the "truth" in another thread?
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I seem to remember four years ago President Clinton was accusing the Obama campaign of playing the race card.
I'd say the other way round was closer to the truth, but either way it's one reason why Bill Clinton might be loath to do what Sullivan urges. I think though Sullivan was more envisioning that Clinton as a leader in welfare reform would have special clout in countering misinformation about the implementation of work requirements under Obama, not that Clinton would have special clout in embarking on an apropos-of-nothing rant about race-baiting campaign tactics.
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But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.Senator Obama 2008
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I seem to remember four years ago President Clinton was accusing the Obama campaign of playing the race card.



President Bill Clinton says the Obama campaign “played the race card” on him � Y-Decide 2008
Did we just have some weird wormhole that took this forum back in time? Are we going to be seeing quotes from Jerimiah Wright and Saul Alinsky too?

Or maybe someone just saw 2016 recently...
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Infuriating. Every time I think I might be open to conservative arguments, this kind of thing stops me in my tracks. The way the Republicans are trying to prevent certain voting blocs from being able to vote is unconscionable.
Here it is in context.

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Reporter: Mr. Speaker, could you talk a little bit about criticisms about, ah that the Republican Party can’t continue to win presidential elections if they don’t appeal to more voters than they are today in terms of [inaudible], non-white voters, others not in the party in terms of Hispanic voters, African-American voters? I was just looking at poll recently that showed Mr. Romney getting 0 percent support… [This is likely a reference to a NBC/ Wall Street Journal poll showing Romney with 0 percent support among blacks nationally.]

Boehner: We’ve never done well with those groups, but think about who this economic downturn has affected — blacks, Hispanics, young people. 50 percent of college graduates unemployed or underemployed. And I think our economic message in this election cycle will help us recruit more of those groups than we would have otherwise. But I think it’s important for our party, if we’re going to be a national party, we’ve got to reach out, and that means showing up in their neighborhoods. It’s a tall order but it can be done.

Reporter: Is it happening so far? Do you think it’s happening… right now?

Boehner: This election is about economics. And they may not show up and vote for our candidate but I would suggest to you they won’t show up and vote for the president either.
First notice what isn't said by the Speaker: "Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos 'Won't Show Up' This Election." He never says he "hopes" minorites won't show up.

Second, what is wrong with what he says? Sounds like an honest appraisal of past voting trends and an outreach to those groups hit hardest by this president's policies.
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And Obama's "only solutions have been handing out gov. checks, food stamps etc." Weren't you the one crying out piously about the "truth" in another thread?
That is a fact, spending on ALL those programs have skyrocketed and not just because of the recession but because of relaxing of eligibility requirements. More government spending is the only answer this president has for our economic woes.
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Clearly the "food stamps as reparations" messaging by the Romney campaign is getting through to some voters.
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Clearly the "food stamps as reparations" messaging by the Romney campaign is getting through to some voters.
Which ones precisely?
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Which ones precisely?
On a mobile (hurtling down the east coast between NYC and DC the other awful elites on the hated, socialist Acela), but here's a good jumping off point for you:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobile...ml?ir=Politics
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On a mobile (hurtling down the east coast between NYC and DC the other awful elites on the hated, socialist Acela), but here's a good jumping off point for you:

Mitt Romney Suggests Obama Welfare Waivers Are A Tactic To 'Shore Up His Base'
Well, considering that white voters are essentially financing black voters inability and/or unwillingness to get jobs, it's not necessarily an entirely unreasonable point for the Romney campaign to make.

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Or, to spell it out even more clearly:

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Well, considering that white voters are essentially financing black voters inability and/or unwillingness to get jobs, it's not necessarily an entirely unreasonable point for the Romney campaign to make.


Yes, exactly. You've stated the mindset very well. And it's a great rebuttal to people who say that the Tea Party isn't about race or the GOP doesn't use dog whistles and coded language.

Clearly, even a European such as yourself gets the message.
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Here it is in context.



First notice what isn't said by the Speaker: "Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos 'Won't Show Up' This Election." He never says he "hopes" minorites won't show up.

Second, what is wrong with what he says? Sounds like an honest appraisal of past voting trends and an outreach to those groups hit hardest by this president's policies.
Fair point. Thanks for the context.


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the only answer this president has
That's woefully and willfully untrue. Making hyperbolic statements like that hardly puts you in a position to cry foul about others supposed untruthfulness.
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Yes, exactly. You've stated the mindset very well. And it's a great rebuttal to people who say that the Tea Party isn't about race or the GOP doesn't use dog whistles and coded language.

Clearly, even a European such as yourself gets the message.
Way I see it, the Democrats want to make this election about race and base social issues. So far, sadly, that tactic is working ok for them.

What would be an interesting advert for the Romney/Ryan campaign - put out an advert saying "does Obama hate blacks?" and then put up a few graphs of the increasing black unemployment rate, the increasing poverty levels and increasing debt, under his regime, etc.

That would be interesting.
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You see?
What I am supposed to see?
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