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Old 07-20-2012, 08:15 PM   #571
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Note that the Obama campaign has not released its numbers for June, so we can't say for sure that they are behind Romney. Even if they are behind, we don't know by how much.
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Ha, this is a hoot. I've noticed here in my liberal college town all the ""Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" bumperstickers disappeared about 3 years ago.

Dissent of any form now being "racist" of course.

Bushitler... ah, good times.
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That's because we're allowed to dissent now.
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I liked the album that "Not Ready to Make Nice" was on. Good stuff. I never understood the big fuss over that statement, either.

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Dissent of any form now being "racist" of course.
Except, no. I just listed some areas a page or two back where I would critique Obama. There is legitimate criticism out there on both sides, and I'll gladly listen to it when I hear it and discuss it.

But please don't tell me you honestly don't think that some of the criticism of him is racially motivated. The whole "birther" thing, the "secret Muslim" BS, the people at some rallies who held up signs with racial epithets, the infamous shot of him as a scary voodoo witch doctor. What is that if not racist?
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Obama with a known terrorist.

Proud of yourself Michelle?

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Huma Abedin's week got a bit scarier on Sunday when federal officials ordered extra security to her house after a New Jersey man threatened her.

The New York Post is reporting a Muslim man from New Jersey threatened Abedin after Michelle Bachman accused her of having ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. The man was questioned by the NYPD but charges haven't been filed.
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I am not in favour of an overly litigious society but if I were Huma Abedin, I'd lawyer up and go after Michele Bachmann (and the other trolls) with a libel and/or slander suit.
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all i know is for most of bush's presidency if anyone dared to criticise him for the slightest thing, we got attacked for being unamerican. yet if the right does the same to obama...what? i don't hear the left saying that, and i guess now that there is a democrat in power it's suddenly not unamerican to criticise the president? so much for that united front many loved to go on about during that rah-rah wrap yourself in the american flag period.

it didn't seem like anyone from the right wanted to admit maybe bush wasn't amazing and perfect until aboooout, umm...2008? right about when he entered lame duck territory and the economy turned to shit. though even now the latter's still being placed solely on obama's shoulders when it sure as hell wasn't his fault the economy stunk when he became president. (and before anyone attacks me for that comment, no i'm not talking about how the economy is now, i'm talking in january 2009 only.)

You have Americans saying that President Bush is a war criminal, that he is hitler, an idiot and compare him to a chimp. Do you expect his supporters to simply say, "look we understand your criticism and don't feel uncomfortable with the way you criticize the President." Of course not. When faced with such attacks, especially when the country is involved in multiple wars, the response from some on the right was only natural.


As for the Dixie Chicks, they picked up new fans despite losing old ones simply for attacking Bush. Funny to see people who were not even into country music start buying Chicks music and going to their concerts.
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Not really primarily about Obama, but an interesting overview of a notorious, if not actually well understood, local political culture:

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If I hear one more person accuse the Obama campaign of practicing “Chicago-style politics,” I'm gonna kick all his nephews off the park-district payroll. I’m gonna send some precinct captains over to straighten him out. Mitt Romney and his surrogates don’t understand what Chicago-style politics means. No one seems to have told them that it’s been gone for 25 years. And they don’t get that Barack Obama, in his Chicago days, never had anything to do with it.

Chicago-style politics, in common parlance, refers to the 1950s-1970s era of the Richard J. Daley machine. If you want to read a great, short book about that world, I recommend "Boss" by Mike Royko. The strength and durability of the Daley machine was its ethnically based patronage network, a complex system of obligations, benefits, and loyalties that didn’t depend on televised communication with a broader public. It was a noncompetitive system that in its heyday had a lock on urban power and the spoils that went with it. One of the most memorable phrases from that era comes from a story often told by former White House Counsel Abner J. Mikva, who described attempting to volunteer on a local campaign in the late 1940s: “Who sent you?” asked the cigar-chomping 8th Ward precinct captain. “Nobody sent me,” replied Mikva. “We don’t want nobody nobody sent.” The machine was dominated by the Irish and centered in Bridgeport, the rough-and-tumble neighborhood that was the ancestral home of the Daleys. Bridgeport’s antithesis has always been the liberal, multicultural enclave of Hyde Park, the University of Chicago neighborhood where the Obamas—and Bill Ayers—live. (The other thing the precinct captain told Mikva was, “We don’t want nobody from the University of Chicago in this organization.”) Hyde Park’s 5th Ward was the only one out of 50 to elect an independent alderman until the late 1960s, when political reformers like my parents and their friends on the North Side began to challenge the Daley machine.

By the mid-1980s, the independents had mostly finished off the Daley machine—thanks mainly to the Shakman decree, still very much in force, which prevents any political consideration in hiring, firing, and promotion, with the exception of a thin layer of policy positions. This meant that when Harold Washington, a black machine politician turned reformer, was elected in 1983, he controlled only a few hundred city and county jobs, instead of the 35,000 Daley had at his disposal. By the time the younger Richard M. Daley was elected mayor in 1989, the Chicago machine was, like the Italian Mafia, more legend than force. Chicago-style pizza still exists. Chicago-style politics, equally deplorable in my view, no longer does.

In 2008, John McCain ran ads describing Obama as “born of the corrupt Chicago political machine.” But Obama, who moved to Chicago in 1985 to be a community organizer in a politically disenfranchised neighborhood on the South Side, had no link to the Chicago machine at all. In "Dreams From My Father," he describes trying unsuccessfully to get the attention of city officials—in the Harold Washington era—to deal with asbestos in public housing projects. That’s how far outside of Chicago-style politics Obama was. Obama never ran for a Chicago office. Hyde Park elected him to represent it in the Illinois State Senate in 1996. He tried for Congress in 2000 and lost. Then he got elected to the US Senate in 2004. He somehow passed through Chicago politics without ever developing any real connection to it.

As for Obama’s Chicago-based hit men, well, they don’t come out of Chicago-style politics either. David Axelrod was a quintessential Hyde Park independent, a University of Chicago student and disciple of the reform guru Don Rose. Axelrod cut his teeth denouncing what was left of Chicago-style politics as a Chicago Tribune political reporter in the early 1980s before quitting journalism to help elect the notoriously honorable downstate politician Paul Simon to the Senate in 1984. That was the first campaign Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel worked on as well. Rahm was too young to have much to do with the Daley machine. As for the others, David Plouffe is from Delaware. Jim Messina is from Montana. They are in Chicago, but not of it.

Some Republicans seem to think Chicago politics is about brutal, slashing attacks on opponents—Al Capone with an ad budget. That’s what John Boehner was complaining about when he used the phrase in 2009 to describe the way the Obama administration was demonizing opponents of his health care bill, like the US Chamber of Commerce. But political aggression is hardly a distinctive Chicago trait. While American politics has never wanted for harsh negativity, the Chicago machine era predates media campaigns driven by sound bites and attack ads. The best modern exemplar of hardball politics is probably the late South Carolina political consultant Lee Atwater, who ran George H.W. Bush’s ugly 1988 presidential campaign.

If they aren’t referring to machine politics, maybe Mitt’s boys are trying to say something else? In a recent call with reporters, Romney adviser Ed Gillespie described Chicago politics as simple cronyism, with contracts and rewards going to Obama’s largest fundraisers. But Chicago-style politics was never much about big donors either. The machine was funded through involuntary contributions. City workers had to kick back a portion of their salaries to fund the political operation. For an example of a politician notorious for rewarding major campaign contributors, look to Richard Nixon, the first president to put a price on ambassadorships ($250,000), and his relationship with the likes of Walter Annenberg.

Of course, Romney isn’t interested in this kind of nuance. “Chicago-style politics” is mainly just a way for him to call Obama corrupt without coming out and saying so. Speaking for the campaign, former White House Chief of Staff John Sununu told Fox News, “This is a president who wallowed in Chicago—in the murky soup of politics slash felons.” Sununu, of course, swims in the clear broth of integrity slash ethics. But here too, the Romney line seems a little out of date. While Chicago aldermen have kept up their love affair with petty crime, Illinois state politics has become much sleazier, with half of the last eight governors moving from the state house to the big house. For a politician like Rod Blagojevich, it’s Springfield—away from the scrutiny of the Chicago media—that affords the real opportunity for corruption. Somehow, “Illinois-style politics” doesn’t have quite the same ring.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:58 PM   #579
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yahoo.com

Huma Abedin's week got a bit scarier on Sunday when federal officials ordered extra security to her house after a New Jersey man threatened her.

The New York Post is reporting a Muslim man from New Jersey threatened Abedin after Michelle Bachman accused her of having ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. The man was questioned by the NYPD but charges haven't been filed.
I wasn't threatening her, I was just looking for the answers she won't give to Michelle.
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I'm an independent and just can't find a reason to vote for Obama. In all honesty I don't think he accomplished anything significant. He blames the economy on Bush yet he had control of the house for the first two yrs of his presidency. He has nothing to run on like his hope & change campaign. He has been campaigning for the last three years instead of fixing the economy. He still hasn't fixed freddie and fannie. His only accomplishment is gay marriage and health care which nobody wants. He's a disappointment. I'm not a fan of Romney but anybody would be better than Obama. He's a wreck. Everything he says is a lie. He is ruining this country.
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His only accomplishment is gay marriage and health care which nobody wants.
I always have to sigh when I read someone post "I'm an independent" yet make such sweeping and frankly ignorant statements such as this.
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lots of people want these things. just because you don't want them doesn't mean no one does.
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He didn't accomplish anything with marriage equality. He just said he supported it.

He did get rid of DADT.
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I'm an independent and just can't find a reason to vote for Obama. In all honesty I don't think he accomplished anything significant. He blames the economy on Bush yet he had control of the house for the first two yrs of his presidency. He has nothing to run on like his hope & change campaign. He has been campaigning for the last three years instead of fixing the economy. He still hasn't fixed freddie and fannie. His only accomplishment is gay marriage and health care which nobody wants. He's a disappointment. I'm not a fan of Romney but anybody would be better than Obama. He's a wreck. Everything he says is a lie. He is ruining this country.
Bush did screw up the economy quite significantly, and there was no way one person could repair it during a two year period. Yes, it sucks that millions are still out of work and the economy is still slow, but it doesn't go away like magic. Also, the whole world is suffering to some degree. Just be thankful you aren't living in Spain.

As for the campaigning part, all politicians - presidents, senators, congress, etc. - spend nearly half their time campaigning if they sincerely want to be reelected. Its lousy, of course and that is the reason why I firmly believe in one-terms for all politicians so they wouldn't do all this campaigning bullshit. Spend five years in office and leave. I'm currently reading That Used To Be Us by Thomas L. Friedman and he had a whole section that discussed why politicians spend so much time campaigning than devoting their entire time working. I'll post some excerpts when I get a chance.

There are some people who do want universal health care. I don't know if you mean nobody wants gay marriage, but again, there are some who do.

As for Obama being a "wreck" and lying and ruining this country, well its not like he set out to destroy the U.S. if that is what you believe. All politicians lie, conservative or liberal. They also are all about PR and marketing themselves to the public, hence Obama's hope and change campaign. I really believe it is very naive for anyone to believe that any politician is truly honest with his or her people and says everything they mean to say.
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Bush did screw up the economy quite significantly, and there was no way one person could repair it during a two year period. Yes, it sucks that millions are still out of work and the economy is still slow, but it doesn't go away like magic. Also, the whole world is suffering to some degree. Just be thankful you aren't living in Spain.
Do you think it is inappropriate to criticize the President on the economy because of Bush? Since when does a President get a free pass on an important issue for four years thanks to the previous President?
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