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Old 07-18-2012, 03:29 PM   #541
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Yep, you nailed it. The only reason I dislike President Obama's spending, overstepping of executive powers, growth of government, and petty politicking is because he's a black man. I wondered when someone would figure this out. Good job.
Note the use of the words "far right". If you aren't part of that far right group, you're likely not whom she's referring to.

BVS's questions are worthwhile ones, though. All this stuff bothers the conservatives so much, and yet I didn't hear a single peep from them during the Bush years, or at least, they didn't join others in protest at times when the support really could've been needed. Why is that?

And agreed on Rush, too. If it is an act, he may want to make that clear. He keeps fueling the fire, and he's not helping anything.
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:30 PM   #542
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If it is an act, he may want to make that clear. He keeps fueling the fire, and he's not helping anything.
No way in hell would he want to make that clear. And his job is, apparently, to fuel the fire.

He just likes his paycheck, I guess. Saying shitty things about people and groups of people for money. Can I call him a whore, or would that make me a bad feminist?
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Yep, you nailed it. The only reason I dislike President Obama's spending, overstepping of executive powers, growth of government, and petty politicking is because he's a black man. I wondered when someone would figure this out. Good job.
So you must equate yourself with Limbaugh's racists rants then since you jumped to the conclusion I was attacking anyone including you, who criticizes the President. No I am not. I said the "far right" aka, the extreme right. I don't care if you don't like the President. Good for you have at it.

Oh by the way, the overstepping of exec.powers ( EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE in other words if that is what you mean) lest we forget was used 6 times under GWBush, the MOST of any president in US history!
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No way in hell would he want to make that clear. And his job is, apparently, to fuel the fire.

He just likes his paycheck, I guess. Saying shitty things about people and groups of people for money. Can I call him a whore, or would that make me a bad feminist?
Anyone who makes money saying nasty things just to say them doesn't exactly look good in my eyes either, so call him whatever you want.
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You know what I wonder? Why those on the right didn't dislike Bush's spending, overstepping executive powers, growth of government and petty politicking?

And why don't you dislike Romney's? Well he hasn't had a chance to overstep federal executive powers, but everything else he's proven, so give him time, right?

Here's what I don't get. The formation of the Tea Party and the hatred towards Obama started well before he even enacted anything. Why is that? How come the first Tea Party rally was being held on Tax day of Obama's first year? Why did they wait to protests Bush's policies after he got out of office, but why were they choosing to make their hateful signs about Obama instead of Bush?

I think if you were being honest with yourself you know the answers. Maybe not you, but a good portion of the right are hating not based on policy. Even Glenn Beck said himself during the primaries that if the right chose to rally behind Romney he had to wonder if it was based on race this whole time(of course he's chosen to ignore that statement now ).
I can't speak for everyone on the right, but personally I despised Bush as a president. And judging by his approval ratings, so did a good deal of the right. Those who did approve of his presidency, as far as I can see, probably did so more so because of his foreign policy rather than his economics.

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So you must equate yourself with Limbaugh's racists rants then since you jumped to the conclusion I was attacking anyone including you, who criticizes the President. No I am not. I don't care if you don't like the President. Good for you have at it.

Oh by the way, the overstepping of exec.powers ( EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE in other words if that is what you mean) lest we forget was used 6 times under GWBush, the MOST of any president in US history!
I equate myself with the economically far right, which is the group you singled out; not racists.

As far as the oversteps of executive powers, someone here (probably INDY if I had to guess) made a good point. GWB made many executive orders that were in the gray area of constitutionality, but he made them in the area that the President is granted most control over: foreign policy. President Obama, on the other hand, made the majority of his gray executive orders in the area the President is granted LEAST control over: legislation.
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I equate myself with the economically far right, which is the group you singled out; not racists.
What are you talking about? Show me where I mentioned the economically far right ( whatever that means); this is what I said:

<<Oh but wait I keep forgetting, the far right wants us to believe black is white, up is down and hate is ok if there is black guy in the white house>>
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What exactly do you think right, in a political sense, means?
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I think the right simply hates anything that appears to be liberal, because liberalism = socialism = communism = totalitarian Germany. I don't think Joe Biden would win many fans among the Obama haters simply because he is a white guy from the tough streets of Scranton.
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What exactly do you think right, in a political sense, means?
There is more to the" right" than being fiscally conservative. Hello Caption Obvious.

I am talking about the extreme voices that include Limbaugh who seems to dictate the talking points to the leaders in R-party and they then regurgitate the vileness and flat out lies on a daily basis.

The Republican Party of the past is not what it is today because your party ( assumption) has been hyjacked by people on the extreme right who believe as I said; up is down, black is white, wrong is right, and hate is ok. I am not saying everyone that is a Republican is a radical far right wacho that thinks hate is ok.
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And judging by his approval ratings, so did a good deal of the right.
Yet for some reason they were never vocal about it till he left the office. So you can see why some are frustrated?
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Yet for some reason they were never vocal about it till he left the office. So you can see why some are frustrated?
I do see why, and I can sympathize with that. My issue is this: because some conservatives did play party politics 00-08, it now seems like NO criticism of Obama's spending policies are allowed. Conservatives did make mistakes in not coming out harder against Bush's policies, but maybe they're finally waking up. Just because they once ignored such economic irresponsibility doesn't mean they should have to ignore all economic irresponsibility for the rest of time, y'know?
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I think the right simply hates anything that appears to be liberal, because liberalism = socialism = communism = totalitarian Germany. I don't think Joe Biden would win many fans among the Obama haters simply because he is a white guy from the tough streets of Scranton.
I find this criticism of the right far, far more tolerable.
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it now seems like NO criticism of Obama's policies are allowed.
Criticize all you want. You would have some here on the left who would actually agree with some of your critiques. He's got ties to Wall Street. He's got corporate influence, too. We're still not fully out of Afghanistan and Iraq. He hasn't closed Guantanamo Bay. The drone strikes can be worthy debate. A few things to start off with.

I just want the criticisms from conservatives to be based in logical, rational arguments, and not tired old cries of, "He's a socialist/communist/Marxist!" or "He's a secret Muslim who's destroying America!" or nonsensical crap like that. Unfortunately that's the loudest argument out there. And it'd be great if the more sane conservatives out there would tell the extremists saying such crazy things to shut up.
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I do see why, and I can sympathize with that. My issue is, some conservatives did play party politics 00-08, it now seems like NO criticism of Obama's policies are allowed.
No criticism? Really?
It seems to me that criticism of Pres.Obama has been tolerated and even repeated by the so called "left wing media" ad nausem. In fact there was report not long ago citing how many more negative reports about him were out there over Romney.

Let's see. Remember when Bill Maher's show Politially Incorrect was cancelled because he criticized the GWB admin after 9/11?

Then there was Phil Donahue on MSNBC who was cancelled as well because his voice was too "extreme" for the corporate media.

SHow cancelation is the ultimate.

Hmmm. Show us the equivilant on the right. I can't think of any.
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Criticize all you want. You would have some here on the left who would actually agree with some of your critiques. He's got ties to Wall Street. He's got corporate influence, too. We're still not fully out of Afghanistan and Iraq. He hasn't closed Guantanamo Bay. The drone strikes can be worthy debate. A few things to start off with.

I just want the criticisms from conservatives to be based in logical, rational arguments, and not tired old cries of, "He's a socialist/communist/Marxist!" or "He's a secret Muslim who's destroying America!" or nonsensical crap like that. Unfortunately that's the loudest argument out there. And it'd be great if the more sane conservatives out there would tell the extremists saying such crazy things to shut up.
Thank you. You said it better than I could!
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