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Old 06-09-2012, 07:28 PM   #406
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I can hear the point whooshing over your head even from a DC sidewalk.
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I can hear the point whooshing over your head even from a DC sidewalk.
Wouldn't be the first time.

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Forget all my recent posts about Barack Obama's radical ties, that's low hanging fruit, this guy is an economic imbecile and his policies and rhetoric have paralyzed our economy.
No, that fruit isn't even on the tree my friend.


Seriously though--and this stands a critique of both INDY and many of the rest of us--it's funny how quickly we forget how similar Obama and Romney really are. Back when Romney wasn't the only Republican in the race both left and right were quick to point out the similarities between the two (though albeit for different reasons). Not so long ago most of us felt that Romney would be be the best choice for president if it HAD to be a Republican, and INDY undoubtedly felt he was the worst.

My biggest reason for voting for Obama over Romney is not because I believe he'd be radically different in terms of policy--including economic policy (haranguing Obama for the state of the economy? THAT'S low hanging fruit!), but because Romney will have to make obeisance to the more radical elements of his party in a way that Obama won't have to. It's not Romney I fear as much as the extremists in his party that will attempt to force his hand.

And no, INDY, the left wing radicals simply do not have that kind of clout over Obama. As a nation, I believe we tend to lean more conservative which means that the conservative nutjobs have a lot more traction than the liberal ones do. Sorry.
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No, that fruit isn't even on the tree my friend.


Seriously though--and this stands a critique of both INDY and many of the rest of us--it's funny how quickly we forget how similar Obama and Romney really are. Back when Romney wasn't the only Republican in the race both left and right were quick to point out the similarities between the two (though albeit for different reasons). Not so long ago most of us felt that Romney would be be the best choice for president if it HAD to be a Republican, and INDY undoubtedly felt he was the worst.

My biggest reason for voting for Obama over Romney is not because I believe he'd be radically different in terms of policy--including economic policy (haranguing Obama for the state of the economy? THAT'S low hanging fruit!), but because Romney will have to make obeisance to the more radical elements of his party in a way that Obama won't have to. It's not Romney I fear as much as the extremists in his party that will attempt to force his hand.

And no, INDY, the left wing radicals simply do not have that kind of clout over Obama. As a nation, I believe we tend to lean more conservative which means that the conservative nutjobs have a lot more traction than the liberal ones do. Sorry.
Nice, nice summary of how some more of us look at this.
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Great post, Sean.
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Forget all my recent posts about Barack Obama's radical ties, that's low hanging fruit, this guy is an economic imbecile and his policies and rhetoric have paralyzed our economy.
You might be confusing low hanging fruit with low hanging knuckles. With the exception of that fading portion of the right who are still living in the Cold War and think all you have to do is mention a connection to communism, radicalism, or socialism no one falls for this. His policies just do not speak to your portrait, and you have failed time and time again to try and prove so, as has everyone else.

Actually the economy would be the low hanging fruit in this situation, it's the easiest to notice, it's the easiest to access, now the problem is understanding it.

But continue on with the Muslim, radical, birther, socialist, drug dealer bullshit and you'll shoot yourself in the foot.
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Agreed. If conservatives want to be taken seriously in this debate they need to get off that inflammatory stuff. It adds nothing to the conversation and has no basis in truth. Talk about Obama's foreign policy, talk about the economy, hell, talk about his stance on social issues, I don't care. But let the communist/socialist/birther/Muslim stuff effing GO already. It needs to stop.

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My biggest reason for voting for Obama over Romney is not because I believe he'd be radically different in terms of policy--including economic policy (haranguing Obama for the state of the economy? THAT'S low hanging fruit!), but because Romney will have to make obeisance to the more radical elements of his party in a way that Obama won't have to. It's not Romney I fear as much as the extremists in his party that will attempt to force his hand.
I'd vote for Obama even without the extremists of the GOP around, but yeah, this, completely.
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When I went to the post office yesterday (in a very wealthy suburban "liberal" town), there were two of those LaRouche people with a table set up at the front end of the driveway. They had several pictures of Obama with a Hitler mustache. It's going to be a long, ugly few months.

One of them was a young African American man-the other was a young white woman, they were both in their 20's I'd guess. Don't know if that was by design or just a coincidence.
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I've seen those all over Seattle since he took office.

I can't imagine they garner much support in Seattle, of all places.
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Every president has been labeled 'Hitler' since, well since Hitler.

It's just lazy debate.
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Are LaRouche and his supporters far left or far right, I've never been able to figure out, and I've actually gone to the trouble, in the past, of reading some of the policy papers on his website. Maybe they're just crazy. LaRouche says Obama is a traitor but he said the same about Bush/Cheney IIRC. LaRouche was seemingly associated with some factions of the Democrats in the past.
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When I went to the post office yesterday (in a very wealthy suburban "liberal" town), there were two of those LaRouche people with a table set up at the front end of the driveway. They had several pictures of Obama with a Hitler mustache. It's going to be a long, ugly few months.
I saw a married couple doing the same thing outside my local DMV. I don't know who these LaRouche people are.

Either way, these people eventually got kicked off the premises. It was a pretty funny spectacle.
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Are LaRouche and his supporters far left or far right, I've never been able to figure out, and I've actually gone to the trouble, in the past, of reading some of the policy papers on his website. Maybe they're just crazy. LaRouche says Obama is a traitor but he said the same about Bush/Cheney IIRC. LaRouche was seemingly associated with some factions of the Democrats in the past.
Well political spectrums are more of a circle or sphere than they are a line, and I think LaRouche is so extreme that he straddles where both extremes meet.
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LaRouche seems to cherry-pick from both extremes at will, without necessarily having guiding a guiding ideology, or even guiding sub-ideologies for individual issues.

That being said, I'm not sure how much coherent guiding ideologies can truly be found in more familiar belief systems.

Also, I'm not very familiar with LaRouche, so this is just going off of my impression.
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Right, because only government creates wealth.

Government spending needs to shrink so the real economy can grow and create jobs and prosperity (the opposite of austerity).
Government spending absolutely needs to shrink, but it needs to do so when the economy is healthy.

You can starve the beast when middle and lower income families are out of the shitter, instead of blowing up their benefits and giving them to rich folks as tax cuts.

Taking the legs out from under the very people who need to be spending to generate growth when the economy is shaky is ridiculous. Supply side economics does not work. The very people who were the architects of it during the (!) Reagan era have admitted it is ineffective.

And growth is not a zero-sum game between government and the private sector as you are simplifying it to fit your political ideology
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