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Old 05-03-2012, 12:14 AM   #256
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This reminds me of this song by David Bowie

David Bowie - Drive-in Saturday - YouTube

Which is about humanity in the future having to watch old 70s pornos to learn how to have sex again, because they've become lazy and forgotten.
Just to be clear I wasn't claiming in my post that I have not put considerable effort into this or that thing, in the course of my life.

But 'hard work' is a shibboleth. And will become the more so in a world where less and less jobs are really even necessary. I get that it had a cultural utility in the crucial centuries between say 1750 and 1950, but that circle is closing fast. So it is isn't really laziness I'm driving at here (although I am, very lazy indeed).
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:21 AM   #257
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I dislike hard work.

And frankly the world, this century, is likely going to get that leisure society they used to promise us, and we are going to have to learn how to deal with it. On present indications, not well at all.

My little off-topic rant.
I don't like that employers expect employees to work their butt off only to get no recognition. Part of the purpose of the capitalist system is for people to earn high rewards when they work hard. The very critique many republican super pro-capitalism people make against a socialist economy is that there's no reward in it. Except right now, employers are expecting their employees to act like slaves knowing they can just replace them with the next desperate person should they slack off. I hate that.

I hated working myself into exhaustion for a job that paid minimum wage. And I do mean exhaustion. I was passing out while standing up. My dad does it and makes a very generous amount of money, yet they don't believe in awarding employees with achievements or trophies like companies used to do. There are still some rewarding companies out there, and I praise them for it, but far too many organizations that just want mindless hard-working drones and don't care about their employees at all.
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All I will simply respond to is this:

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Yes its "madness" or "insane" that someone like myself actually had the nerve to come into comfortable little FYM and post something that doesn't quite fit.
People have been doing that for as long as this board's been around. Unfortunately many have since left for various reasons, but I for one always welcomed opposing viewpoints, and I think many others here do as well. I like debating with people, no matter how bothered I may be by their views. I find others' opinions fascinating. I've never used my ignore list a day in my life-in part because I completely forget it's there, but overall mainly because I don't wish to use it to begin with (and also because I don't know if that's a feature I could use even if I wanted to since I'm not a premium member). I don't want to ignore people simply because they happen to disagree with me on a political issue.

But if I think someone's stance on something doesn't make much sense, or is, to put it bluntly, wrong, I'm going to say so. If you think anything I say doesn't make sense, or that I'm wrong, feel free to call me out on it, too.

As for the articles, many people here post articles they themselves may not agree with personally all the time. But they also try and introduce some sort of discussion in regards to those articles, too, they make note of something they DID agree with, or if they disagree, they state why, or whatever. To just post it and leave it there with little to no comment...well, what are we supposed to infer from that? I can tell you what I think of an article I post, what do you think of one you share?

Bringing up inflammatory things are going to make people upset, because they're either not true or exaggerated or insulting or whatever and don't help the discussion. We can talk about the problems related to the welfare system without always feeling a need to rant against people on it, describing them as lazy people who just refuse to pay taxes, or insinuating that if you are in favor of some sort of welfare program you don't support hard work. We can talk about Obama's weaknesses without bringing talk of communism and socialism into the topic (which is something I'd sincerely love to see for once). And so on.

That being said, I'm sorry if the atmosphere here has made you want to leave, and hope you'll change your mind and stick around. Being one of the few lone voices can indeed be tough, and I will agree people haven't always made it easy for the few dissenting voices some days.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:10 AM   #259
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Um...

Let's hear some more about 22 year old Obama's sex life. I guess now he's saying that was some sort of "composite girlfriend". I've got to read that VF article.

I think the other articles being discussed are like the chain e-mails that someone else used to post here all the time. Not interested, sorry. But it's hardly as if I'm some drooling Obama worshiper who is incapable of critical thought because I dismiss those types of articles/can't be bothered with them. I don't have the time to read them either, because I'm just struggling to get through every day.

I read and see and experience enough to make my own judgments about President Obama's job performance, and they're not all that positive. But Mitt Romney or any of the other Republicans aren't going to save us either.
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on that ^ topic

1. I don't care

2. does it matter? well, I could go back four years in here and show you several places where when I suggested that Hillary Clinton was the best candidate several of his more ardent supporters told me his life story counted as life experience that made him qualified to be president, they kept asking me if I had read his autobiography, that if I only read that, I would have a true picture of who he was and what he had been through

his supporters can't have it both ways, touting the books as credible reasons to give him the nomination and now saying 'not factually correct' does not matter.
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but for a reason to vote for Obama in 2012?

any real deficit hawk and law and order conservation should stand up and applaud this

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By Richard A. Serrano / Tribune Washington Bureau | Thursday, May 3, 2012 | Home - BostonHerald.com | Healthcare


WASHINGTON - Doctors, nurses and social workers from across the country, 107 in all, were charged in what federal officials in Washington called a "nationwide takedown" of medical professionals accused of fraudulently billing Medicare nearly half a billion dollars.

The amount of bogus Medicare claims, about $452 million, was the highest in a single raid in the history of a federal strike force combating rising fraud in the medical industry, according to the Justice Department. Arrests were made in seven major cities.

The Obama administration said it was toughening its attack on those who file bills for ambulance rides never taken and medical procedures never provided.

In addition, officials in the Health and Human Services Department suspended or took other administrative actions against 52 medical providers after analyzing billing requests and finding additional "credible allegations of fraud."

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, said the arrests, fourth in a series of Medicare fraud takedowns over the last two years, served as another warning to future scammers.

"Medicare is an attractive target for criminals," Breuer said, even as prosecution and jail time is risked with every false claim.

"If you don’t believe it," he said, "ask Lawrence Duran, the former owner of a mental health care company in Miami who was sentenced last year to 50 years in prison. Or his two co-owners, each of whom was sentenced to 35 years."

Of the 107 defendants in the latest crackdown, 87 were arrested Wednesday. Federal agents were either still looking for the others or expecting them to surrender voluntarily.

The cities involved were Miami; Tampa, Fla.; Houston; Baton Rouge, La.; Los Angeles; Detroit; and Chicago.

In the Los Angeles area, eight people, including two doctors, were charged with fraudulently billing about $20 million for services never provided.

Bolademi Adetola, owner of health care equipment provider Latay Medical Services in Gardena, Calif., was charged with billing Medicare for power wheelchairs that were never purchased. Greatcare Home Health in Los Angeles allegedly paid kickbacks to recruiters to find "patients" who were perfectly fine, and then have doctors knowingly write phony prescriptions for them.

Dr. Augustus Ohemeng and Dr. George Tarryk, who treated patients at the Pacific Clinic in Long Beach, Calif., were among four individuals who allegedly billed falsely for feeding tubes for patients who did not need them.

None of the defendants or their lawyers could be reached for comment.

The Obama administration has stepped up efforts to combat fraud in the Medicare program, which provides health coverage to about 50 million elderly and disabled Americans.

Last year the federal government charged 1,430 people with health care fraud, up from 797 in 2008, according to the Health and Human Services Department. The agency also reported revoking the eligibility of more than 60,000 Medicare and Medicaid providers and suppliers and recovering $4.1 billion in fraudulent claims.

Although there is broad agreement that fraud is widespread in Medicare and Medicaid, estimates of the scope of the program vary from $20 billion a year to $100 billion. Total spending on Medicare and Medicaid is expected to reach about $1 trillion this year.

Louis Saccoccio, chief executive of the National Health Care Anti-Fraud Association, said the latest round of arrests was encouraging and reflected the intensified efforts by the government to combat fraud, especially since 2009.

He said he was most pleased to see that Health and Human Services had stopped payments to 52 providers by using new tools to analyze data and detect potentially fraudulent charges.

The system, which was set up by the health care law President Barack Obama signed two years ago, relies on a computer program to identify patterns of potentially fraudulent charges by providers. "That really has the promise to be a game-changer," he said. "In the future, what you will see is the real impact is going to come from preventing fraud."

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his supporters can't have it both ways, touting the books as credible reasons to give him the nomination and now saying 'not factually correct' does not matter.
I haven't met many of these people, but honestly I think that most people understand that biographies and autobiographies use artistic license. Those people also understand the difference between license and lies.
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The Medicare story is great
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on that ^ topic

1. I don't care

2. does it matter? well, I could go back four years in here and show you several places where when I suggested that Hillary Clinton was the best candidate several of his more ardent supporters told me his life story counted as life experience that made him qualified to be president, they kept asking me if I had read his autobiography, that if I only read that, I would have a true picture of who he was and what he had been through

his supporters can't have it both ways, touting the books as credible reasons to give him the nomination and now saying 'not factually correct' does not matter.
1. I was simply stating that I'd rather read about his love life as a 22 year old than the head scratching stuff that's been going on in this thread. It's not like it's 50 Shades of Grey. Even though they apparently had sex on their first date.

2. I bought his books as a historic something to save, cheap in paperback from Costco. Never read either one of them. I was a Hillary supporter, I have her book signed that I waited in line for. I'm sure hers isn't 100 % factually correct either. Neither is GWB's. Or anyone else's.

He said it was a composite girlfriend in his autobiography, not in the new bio of him that's coming out. Genevieve says that he had an icy cool side and that he replied "thank you" when she told him she loved him. Just an interesting (to me) tidbit, don't expect anyone here to care. Hopefully, for Michelle's sake, he's changed since he was 22. Seems as if he has, if the image I have of him as a husband and father is in any way accurate.
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This from someone who thinks FDA research librarians making $62k a year are the cause of our national debt?
Some public sector workers are overpaid, particularly the unionised ones. Only on this forum is this viewed as a dramatic, outlandish controversial thing to suggest.
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Te outlandish suggestion is that federal workers in DC are the cause of the national debt.
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Depends on the region. Not all unions are bad, but I've seen unions defend really terrible employees. The kindergarten teacher had tenor, had multiple complaints from parents, and made $80,000 a year. Then I move out west where there are much stricter requirements for being a teacher (a few extra years of schooling) and see high school teachers only making $28,000 a year. It depends. Some are drastically overpaid, and some make barely enough to be above the poverty line despite getting a PhD.

Can't judge all of them just because one guy makes what in your opinion is "too much".
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I haven't had personal experience with unions, but I presume they're like most other things out there-they have their good points and benefits and they have their moments when they fail people, too.

I do find it funny, however, that public sector employees get attacked if they do make a comfortable living, but to dare suggest the same thing of private employees is class warfare, however. I don't care what job you're in, if you're making six figure salaries or more, that's sure a hell of a lot of money in my eyes, more than many people will ever see in their paychecks in their lifetimes, and there's a point where I would consider the pay in either line of work to be "too much".
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How about, as a filter, we open our minds to something outside of our realm in which we feel comfortable.
Please. This isn't a situation where either people will nod their heads and say, "That makes sense" or they're just close-minded. That's what you and other pseudo-intellectuals like to do to blind yourself to the fact that you're throwing insane bullshit at the wall. Your post reads like you wrote the entire thing without a single thought. It's the equivalent of downing a few fingers of scotch and shouting into a Siri application about all the angry thoughts that pop into your head.

Maybe you should open your mind up to the possibility that people react so negatively and so strongly against your recent string of posts because they're insane bullshit, not because they're close-minded liberals who can't see the truth that you're preaching.

This is what conservatives and "conservative-leaning independents" (or whatever you prefer to call yourself) like to do. You like to bait those who lean liberally into reacting angrily by turning the dial up on the crazy, and then when they dismiss your arguments, you get to say, "Oh, we're close-minded because we're conservative? LOOK HOW CLOSE-MINDED AND DISMISSIVE YOU ARE!" You think it drips with irony, that you're exposing some sort of buried hypocrisy that we'll never be able to see.

This is too much, and it's not gonna happen any longer.
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I haven't had personal experience with unions, but I presume they're like most other things out there-they have their good points and benefits and they have their moments when they fail people, too.

I do find it funny, however, that public sector employees get attacked if they do make a comfortable living, but to dare suggest the same thing of private employees is class warfare, however. I don't care what job you're in, if you're making six figure salaries or more, that's sure a hell of a lot of money in my eyes, more than many people will ever see in their paychecks in their lifetimes, and there's a point where I would consider the pay in either line of work to be "too much".
Just about every single person I know that makes a six figure income works their butt off for it and in my opinion has earned ever penny. I live in a very wealthy area (Seattle is overpriced enough to compete with San Francisco--seriously, and not even the high median income is enough to cover our cost of living), so I know a lot of them. Many of them work 70+ hour work weeks doing very complicated work that most of us would never be capable of doing.
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