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Old 03-05-2012, 09:00 PM   #931
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(and all American's made to pay for) contraception at no cost to the woman.
A contradiction or a telling Freudian slip?
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Right, but certain preventive services are also required to be covered at no cost. part of the argument is that birth control is also preventive, so it should be included. Whether it's used for actual birth control or for whatever other medical issues BC helps.
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Unfortunately Mrs Springsteen never gives the sources of her articles but I'm sure you'd find this one was written by someone partial to Obamacare. Let me rewrite it and see if that helps
Uh, ok..I don't. I just make it all up. I think it was just on Yahoo But I'll make sure I do from now on, if that makes you happy. It wasn't written by MSNBC or Keith Olbermann or Sandra Fluke or Nancy Pelosi.

And I also think you're wrong about that, the Blunt Amendment would have allowed exemptions to go way beyond contraception. All you needed was a moral objection. Myriad of wide ranging possibilities there under the umbrella of HEALTH SERVICES. It was written that way, NOT just exclusive to contraception.

And I think you can stop putting contraception in quotes as being health care/services-just do a little research. That's offensive to me, might be offensive to some other women too.

Viagra is health care and health services too. Interesting.
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Uh, ok..I don't. I just make it all up. I think it was just on Yahoo But I'll make sure I do from now on, if that makes you happy. It wasn't written by MSNBC or Keith Olbermann or Sandra Fluke or Nancy Pelosi.
It was still loaded. Maybe no one else cares but I like to know who the author of articles posted is and who they work for.


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And I think you can stop putting contraception in quotes as being health care/services-just do a little research. That's offensive to me, might be offensive to some other women too.
I didn't put contraception in scare quotes I put them on health services as apparently "health services" not provided for free are "health services" that are being denied. And what "health services" must be provided at no cost is now whatever the hell the current Secretary of Health and Human Services mandates.

Just remember, someday that Secretary of Health and Human Services might be the toady of a bible and rifle-clinging conservative and do you really want that secretary in charge of your "health services"?

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Viagra is health care and health services too. Interesting.
??????? Don't know what you're getting at here but I'll bite because I'm feeling feisty. Viagra is used to treat erectile dysfunction caused by physical factors. Pregnancy is not, as far as I know, a dysfunction. And before you accuse me again of being uninformed I'm actually quite educated as to all the non-contraceptive uses of oral contraceptives (chiefly endometriosis, acne and metrorrhagia). And guess what? Even the Catholic church approves of their use for these indications. So again ???????? on raising (sorry), inserting (oops), ah... introducing Viagra to the argument.
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pregnancy is certainly a medical condition, though?

or maybe you want abortion used as birth control?
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pregnancy is certainly a medical condition, though?

or maybe you want abortion used as birth control?
And maybe a future Secretary of Health and Human Services will deem abortion a free "health service" under Article 45, section B1, clause 42..........................

Who's to argue? They wouldn't want to start another "War on Women" now would they?
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Right, but certain preventive services are also required to be covered at no cost.
"required." By whom? (or is it who?) The federal government? Under what authority?

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part of the argument is that birth control is also preventive, so it should be included.
So's toothpaste and coincidently 99% of American women have used that also (congratulations Kentucky women , you are the new 1%). So who's buying my Colgate from now on? And since it's free I want the one with mint stripes too!!
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You realize you don't need a prescription for Colgate, yes?
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Viagra is used to treat erectile dysfunction caused by physical factors. Pregnancy is not, as far as I know, a dysfunction.
Is being an ordinary 70-year-old ever a "physical factor"? And isn't ED only a problem in the first place if you're sexually active?

I don't have any problem with insurance covering Viagra. A healthy sex life is a goal worthy of medical support. Fertility management is part of that too.

I know you dislike Obama's healthcare reforms, period, as well as the system of employer-provided healthcare, period. I'm not talking about that here.
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plus viagra's actually taken each time you have sex. talk about slut shaming. "mr. brown, we only refilled your prescription five weeks ago. perhaps it's time to give mr. bojangles a rest, geeez!"
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And also funny given the large amount of Viagra without a prescription that was discovered in Mt. Rush's bag when he was returning from (noted sex tourist hotspot) the DR a few years ago.
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plus viagra's actually taken each time you have sex. talk about slut shaming. "mr. brown, we only refilled your prescription five weeks ago. perhaps it's time to give mr. bojangles a rest, geeez!"
Yep. Where's the slut shaming there? Deafening silence from all corners, and definitely from Rush Limbaugh.

Pregnancy is most certainly a medical condition. All the resulting changes that happen in a woman's body, to her medical health. All the dire consequences that can possibly happen. It's not about dysfunction, it's about proper medical and health function of women. Fertility management can be medically necessary too. I have no problem with insurance covering Viagra either, but if you're going to have no problem with that you shouldn't have a double standard about female medical conditions. Including pregnancy.

The Catholic church may approve of the use of the pill for medical conditions that have nothing to do with preventing pregnancy, but I don't think they approve of having to pay for it in their institutions. I'm Catholic and I haven't heard one word that they would make any exception for that. I've even heard my bumbling pastor try to talk about it from the pulpit and he clearly didn't know a thing about medical use for the pill, or say one word about it. It's all about pregnancy for them.


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"required." By whom? (or is it who?) The federal government? Under what authority?
I wasn't saying that to start a debate about the government mandating anything, I was just saying it because that's what I understand part the argument around the contraception debate to be.

So, yes. The federal government. Right now, health care reform is on the books, and employers/insurance companies have to get moving on implementing it, regardless of what might or might not happen in the next few years (i.e., it gets voted out again). And as preventive services being covered at 100% is one piece of the reform, I was answering within that context.
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Meet the Press; Mar 4, 2012

MR. GREGORY: Let's turn now to the Republican presidential candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Mr. Speaker, welcome back to the program.

FMR. REP. NEWT GINGRICH (R-GA): David, it's good to be with you.

MR. GREGORY: I want to talk about the campaign and the numbers that I just went through with Chuck Todd, but I have to ask you about access to contraception. I realize it's not at the, the core of your stump speech, but it is a debate that is certainly highly charged here in Washington and Congress...

FMR. REP. GINGRICH: No.

MR. GREGORY: ...and on the airwaves.

FMR. REP. GINGRICH: You know, David, I am astonished at the desperation of the elite media to avoid rising gas prices, to avoid the president's apology to religious fanatics in Afghanistan, to avoid a trillion dollar deficit, to avoid the longest period of unemployment since the Great Depression and to suddenly decide that Rush Limbaugh is the great national crisis of this week.
I feel Newt's pain, everyone here would rather talk about Rush too.
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I guess at times like these all you can do is blame the media or whatever other Pavlovian bitterness cues you can come up with.
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