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Old 02-15-2012, 11:09 PM   #886
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in VA, the GOP has a super majority. here are the types of things they consider to be important: declaring fertilized eggs people, and forcing women considering abortion to have an instrument shoved up their vaginas.

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By Lucy Madison Topics Domestic Issues

The Tuesday passage in Virginia of two of the strictest anti-abortion bills in the country has sparked fierce debate over abortion rights the battleground state, with Democrats decrying the acts as an unprecedented encroachment on women's rights as Republicans push to move the legislation forward.

One bill, Republican Del. Bob Marshall's House bill 1, would define personhood at conception and "provides that unborn children at every stage of development enjoy all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of the Commonwealth." The second bill requires that women be required to undergo an ultrasound procedure prior to having an abortion.

The personhood bill, which passed by 66-32 in the Virginia state House, does not ban abortions, the legality of which are protected under the Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade. It would, however, make illegal certain types of contraceptive measures, including emergency contraception. Women's health advocates say it could also open the door to banning birth control pills and intrauterine devices (IUD).

Opponents of the personhood bill decry the legislation for curbing women's rights to contraception, and argue that the bill is meant to serve as a "trigger ban," which would make abortion illegal immediately in the event that Roe V. Wade is overturned.

"The General Assembly is dangerously close to making Virginia the first state in the country to grant personhood rights to fertilized eggs," said Tarina Keene, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia, in a statement.

Democratic Virginia Delegate Charnielle Herring, an outspoken opponent of the two bills, called the bill "an attack on women's health."

In an interview with Hotsheet, Keene argued that, beyond the potential ideological questions associated with granting a fertilized egg the same rights as people, passing the bill would yield immediate practical consequences that "we can't even fathom at this point."

Keene noted that there are more than 25,000 references to the word "person" in the Virginia legislative code, and that applying all of the laws pertaining to "persons" to all existing fertilized eggs would inevitably become complicated.

She pointed to an example in which a couple undergoing in vitro fertilization successfully becomes pregnant without using as many eggs as were fertilized in the procedure. Those additional eggs would thus be considered "persons," and the couple could use exploit those "persons" to get additional tax breaks, she argued.

Herring also argues that the personhood bill is being used as a tool by Republicans to "lay the groundwork" for overturning Roe v. Wade.

"The government has no place mandating procedures," she told Hotsheet. "We're legislators, we're not physicians."

One issue that has come under the microscope with relation to the ultrasound bill is its requirement that some women undergo a transvaginal ultrasound probe, which is considered more physically invasive than other procedures.

While the bill does not explicitly mandate the use of transvaginal ultrasounds, many women would inevitably be required to undergo them; in the early stages of pregnancy, that procedure is often the only form of ultrasound that can detect a fetus' heartbeat.

Republicans argue that the ultrasound bill will protect women from complications during abortion procedures, and that providing a woman with the gestational age of the fetus is crucial to her "informed consent" to have an abortion.

"This may be the most important decision that she ever makes in her life. A tough decision. And we determined over a decade ago that we were going to ensure that a woman has a right to have all the information avail to her before making that decision," said Republican Delegate Kathy Byron, the sponsor of the ultrasound bill, in debate on the House floor.

The conservative Family Foundation also heralded the requirement as a necessary update to the Commonwealth's informed consent law, providing "modern technology, ensuring that a woman facing an unplanned pregnancy and considering abortion has as much information as possible available to her."

Keene, conversely, argues the requirement is a way to "shame women and try to convince them to change their minds and not have a procedure they've probably already thought long and hard about."

The two bills have already become a hot-button issue for some political candidates in the state, and could gain prominence on the national stage if they are signed into law.

Former Democratic Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, who is running against Republicans George Allen and Marshall for the state's open Senate seat in 2012, decried the personhood bill as "reckless," and challenged Allen to publicly embrace it.

According to the Richmond Times-Dispatch, Allen on Wednesday affirmed his support for the bill.

"This measure is about protecting innocent unborn life. If a criminal hits a pregnant mother injuring or killing the unborn child, then there would be a cause of action for that child as well," said Allen spokeswoman Katie Wright.

"Democrats are desperately trying to make this a battle over contraceptives. As George Allen has often said he is opposed to the government prohibiting or banning contraceptives - and this bill doesn't do that," she added.

The Virginia state Senate has already passed an ultrasound bill, and Republican Governor Bob McDonnell is expected to sign the legislation when it lands on his desk. He does not have a formal position on the personhood bill.

The Virginia state Senate is evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats; Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, a Republican, would be the tie-breaking vote on the personhood bill if members voted along party lines.

When asked Tuesday whether or not he knew how he would vote on the issue, Bolling said he did not, according to the Times-Dispatch.

Delegate Herring said that if the governor were to sign the personhood bill, it would show "just how far [Virginia Republicans] are willing to go to infringe on a woman's right to choose."

Anti-abortion bills spark heated debate in Virginia - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


remember ladies: you can't possibly be informed enough on your own about having an abortion. the state feels that you must be vaginally probed -- sucks if you just got raped or your father got you pregnant! oh well! -- and forced to listen to a heartbeat before you can make any medical decisions regarding your own health.

you want to be able to opt out of Obamacare but should a woman maybe not want to be vaginally probed, too bad! Republicans need to know what goes into and comes out of your vagina.

our deficits depend on it.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:12 PM   #887
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provides that unborn children at every stage of development enjoy all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of the Commonwealth
But ... what if I don't want the zygote to have a gun in my uterus? And what if it wants a hunting rifle? It's never going to fit in there!

Fuck these people.
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The personhood bill, which passed by 66-32 in the Virginia state House, does not ban abortions, the legality of which are protected under the Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade. It would, however, make illegal certain types of contraceptive measures, including emergency contraception.
Which, of course, begs the question: then why even bother with any of this other stuff?

Also curious, do the people who come up with these ideas honestly, truly believe banning certain contraceptives or forcing women to go through these "tests" and whatnot will stop them? If abortions continued to happen back when they were outright illegal, what makes these people think this is going to solve the problem?

And, again, I love that the Republicans are continuing to keep on with their idea of what constitutes "small government interference". Way to be consistent and stick to those principles, guys !

I've been hearing about the types of people in control of the state government in Virginia-it sounds like a scary place to be right now.
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Which, of course, begs the question: then why even bother with any of this other stuff?
I think they know that overturning Roe v Wade is too big an undertaking, so they just chip away at it and do whatever they can to make it as difficult as possible for women to be able to get an abortion.
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I didn't realize the GOP loved Big Government so much.
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i also like how apparently ultrasounds and drug tests are free if they're proposed by a republican.
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Healthcare IS a right until you are actually born.
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Put that way, it makes even less sense.
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The GOP has totally lost the plot.

I am hopeful that this law will be tossed out by the courts. So many issues here that I don't even have time to get into them. Consent under duress would be just one of the good starting points.
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Well, they have called a hearing to talk about this gross misjustice. None of the people involved in this hearing has a uterus. Seriously.

Congressional Birth Control Hearing Involves Exactly Zero People Who Have a Uterus
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This really is embarrassing. I really hope what Irvine has alluded to with the thinking that all of this crazy talk about woman's reproductive parts, and medicine that relates to it will just show the general public how out of touch the GOP really are.
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I think they know that overturning Roe v Wade is too big an undertaking, so they just chip away at it and do whatever they can to make it as difficult as possible for women to be able to get an abortion.
But the fact that they know Roe vs. Wade would be a big undertaking tells me they know trying to go after it would be met with massive pushback. So if they know that, how is it they think these smaller attempts won't lead to people fighting back?

Bah. It's just so frustrating.

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Well, they have called a hearing to talk about this gross misjustice. None of the people involved in this hearing has a uterus. Seriously.

Congressional Birth Control Hearing Involves Exactly Zero People Who Have a Uterus
Of course not! Heaven forbid we actually get someone who can actually get pregnant and actually has the firsthand knowledge of the subject to weigh in on this issue!

This is what bugs me the most about this issue. Men, who will never have to deal with this stuff, sitting there thinking they know what's best for women. Once again, women don't get pregnant on their own, so maybe we should go farther back and restrict when and how men can impregnate a woman. It'd be only fair, right?
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I think all the female members in Congress should have a women only hearing about penises and all things penis related.

Can anyone tell me how ANY of this has ANYTHING to do with jobs and the economy?
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I think all the female members in Congress should have a women only hearing about penises and all things penis related.

Can anyone tell me how ANY of this has ANYTHING to do with jobs and the economy?
Thank. You.

Yeah. Whatever happened to the Republicans' promise to focus on that whole economy thing?
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Yeah. Whatever happened to the Republicans' promise to focus on that whole economy thing?
exactly. they're so one-note, i don't know why anyone is surprised.
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