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Old 12-17-2011, 06:37 PM   #616
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House Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill : NPR

The way the Constitution is framed, rights are not granted by Constitution, government, or God. They are innate as human beings. The Constitution acts only as shackle on government, forcing it to respect our self-evident rights. Making exceptions is a HUGE breach of Constitutional action. It simply cannot be any clearer that this bill codifies the power of indefinite detention. It expressly empowers the President to detain citizens "without trial until the end of the hostilities."

Any Congressman or Senator who voted in favor of this is a traitor to the country. By not vetoing it and pushing to make it stronger, Obama is the same. They're all on the same side..Republicans Democrats, it doesn't matter..They're all oligarchs only interested in increasing their power and enriching themselves. While we bicker and squabble over the definition of marriage, taxing the rich, or whether there's a class war, our rights--the very foundation this country was founded upon--are being eroded one by one. Our Republic is being killed from within. It's time to take back this country, or watch it slide into tyranny.
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Yup.
Um. . .Obama IS rich. . .
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There you go again, Sean, acting like facts matter...








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http://freakoutnation.com/2011/12/17...d-ndaa/?349587

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This year’s National Defense Authorization Act passed quickly through the Senate and as expected President Obama signed the bill. 86 Senators in a bipartisan move, signed off on this controversial bill, which opens the door to invasive acts against Americans. Almost everyone has felt the effect of Anonymous’ presence online and off and now, the 86 Senators will feel their ubiquitous presence as well.



The collective activist group just released a massive dump of information, which begins with, ”Robert J. Portman is a Republican Senator from the state of Ohio. He has made himself a target as an advocate of the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act), but we are truly disturbed by the ludicrous $272,853 he received from special interest groups supporting the NDAA bill that authorizes the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. Robert J. Portman, we plan to make an example of you.”
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Yup.
That's nice of you to ignore Reagan's sleepwalking, Alzheimer's-addled second term where all the the free markety deregulation set the stage for investment banks getting away with murder in this financial meltdown.

Must be nice.
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:23 PM   #621
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That's nice of you to ignore Reagan's sleepwalking, Alzheimer's-addled second term where all the the free markety deregulation set the stage for investment banks getting away with murder in this financial meltdown.

Must be nice.
The only possible way your rant has anything to do with that cartoon is that Barack Obama was still in school when Ronald Reagan's was president.
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Um. . .Obama IS rich. . .
Um... Obama IS also president, has been for the past 3 years in fact. But you'd never know that listening to him rattle off his list of who's at fault for our morbid economic growth, high unemployment and trillion dollar debts.
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Towing the party line about the evil Wall Street bankers while the DNC and RNC take their money is indeed pretty amusing / sickening.

Considering the record fundraising numbers in 2008, it's not hard to see why no one from major financial institutions is doing hard time for allowing their industry to break the economy.

Can't blame them, though, they're just maximizing their utility with that good ol' profit motive
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Can't blame them, though, they're just maximizing their utility with that good ol' profit motive


right? saying you can't pay your way out of jail and buy off Congress or purchase the occupant of the White House is like saying you hate America and want to be a socialist.
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like saying you hate America and want to be a socialist.
A sentiment not completely foreign to this forum.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: the only difference between America and socialism is who is calling the shots. Having a country totally ruled by the capitalist class is no different from a country totally ruled by the government.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: the only difference between America and socialism is who is calling the shots. Having a country totally ruled by the capitalist class is no different from a country totally ruled by the government.
That's not necessarily socialism, though.
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Oh, I'm well aware. I'm simply commenting on the fact that so many Americans fear total control by the government when in reality they're controlled by just as small of a group.
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Oh, I see. My mistake.
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Um... Obama IS also president, has been for the past 3 years in fact. But you'd never know that listening to him rattle off his list of who's at fault for our morbid economic growth, high unemployment and trillion dollar debts.
I stand corrected. It is entirely the fault of all those damn poor people and low-wage workers. They're the ones that brought the economy down.

My bad.

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A sentiment not completely foreign to this forum.
I've said a hundred times, haven't I. How about you provide us all with a quote by me or one of the other Lefties on this forum advocating their hatred of America.
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